Dodgy Dealings

[Bentley Bullet]

I went into a car showroom this morning. I wanted to see what I'd get if I traded in my car. The salesman said, "I hope you're not just going to walk away if you don't like my offer." I promised him I wouldn't do that, and said I wasn't leaving until we struck a deal. The bas**rd then laughed and became all cocky and offered me a quid! He said, "take it or leave it. Oh you can't leave it, can you? You promised! You have to take it, here's your quid. Now f**k off!"

[BillyStubbsTears]

I went into a car showroom and offered 300 quid for a Bentley. The salesman looked at me bewildered. So I repeated it in a plummy Etonian accent and he suggested I wasn't being serious. So I pulled out a gun, put the muzzle to my temple and screamed "Give me the f**king Bentley for 300 quid or I'll blow my brains out."

He went back into the office and returned to his admin.

[Bentley Bullet]

He probably thought you'd miss.

Just think, if you'd have had an option of walking away you could have saved a bullet.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So let me get this right.

In your folksy little story, walking away means that you're back to the status quo ante, right?

[Bentley Bullet]

I sold it for a quid, of course. I did promise, after all. What should I have done, like?

[BillyStubbsTears]

You're avoiding the point once again.

You have this concept of walking away as a possibility that should have been kept open to strengthen your hand in the negotiations?

Correct? Yes or no will do.

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes, silly me! I've got a quid like, but no car!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I see this is going down the obfuscation rabbit hole so I'll spell it out really simply.

In your little story, if you had the capability of walking away, when you walk away you have a car and no pound.

Which is PRECISELY what you had before the discussion started.

Right?

[DonnyOsmond]

It's like when someone said a similar analogy on TV. When they buy a house they leave the chance of walking away on the table so they can get a good deal but the analogy would only work if walking away left you homeless.

[Bentley Bullet]

I see this is going down the obfuscation rabbit hole so I'll spell it out really simply.

In your little story, if you had the capability of walking away, when you walk away you have a car and no pound.

Which is PRECISELY what you had before the discussion started.

Right?

Correct. But I'd then hold an ace card which could mean the rip off salesmen coming back with a better offer, or me f**king off somewhere else while still in possession of my car .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Great.

So we've got there. The "walk away" option means that you revert back to the status quo ante.

So it is totally different from the walk away option in Brexit negotiations. Because "walk away" there means that you immediately lose 3-9% of your income and chuck a hand grenade into your next door neighbour's garden on the way home.

[IDM]

If you’re looking for a brexit analogy, I think mine is simpler..

Over time I and my family get pissed off with my job and the effect on my family life..

Now, it is possible for me to quit and go freelance, on commission but delivering to my current employers.  I talk with my family and we decide this is the best idea.

I go to my employer and we agree terms for working freelance - commissions and a retainer, and limitations on working for their competitors.  We agree in principle that once the exact terms are ironed out, I can leave at the end of the year.

But my family thinks I should get better terms, or even stick two fingers up at my employer and walk away with nothing, as there are always “plenty of other jobs”..

My employer says take as much time as I like, and stay on my regular terms.

Do I risk having no job, or do I renegotiate terms for going freelance..?  If there isn’t a resolution, do I forget it and stay put.?

If that was ever to be the case, it’s a no brainer..

[Iberian Red]

I went into a car showroom this morning. I wanted to see what I'd get if I traded in my car. The salesman said, "I hope you're not just going to walk away if you don't like my offer." I promised him I wouldn't do that, and said I wasn't leaving until we struck a deal. The bas**rd then laughed and became all cocky and offered me a quid! He said, "take it or leave it. Oh you can't leave it, can you? You promised! You have to take it, here's your quid. Now f**k off!"

If only the real grown up world was as simplistic as you.

[Bentley Bullet]

If you’re looking for a brexit analogy, I think Kobe is simpler..

Over time I and my family get pissed off with my job and the effect on my family life..

Now, it is possible for me to quit and go freelance, on commission but delivering to my current employers.  I talk with my family and we decide this is the best idea.

I go to my employer and we agree terms for working freelance - commissions and a retainer, and limitations on working for their competitors.  We agree in principle that once the exact terms are ironed out, I can leave at the end of the year.

But my family thinks I should get better terms, or even stick two fingers up at my employer and walk away with nothing, as there are always “plenty of other jobs”..

My employer says take as much time as I like, and stay on my regular terms.

Do I risk having no job, or do I renegotiate terms for going freelance..?  If there isn’t a resolution, do I forget it and stay put.?

If that was ever to be the case, it’s a no brainer..

If that is a Brexit analogy I assume you have asked your family what their opinion is with the understanding that you will go along with a majority decision. Therefore, if you can't get better terms you should stick two fingers up and walk away.

Unless you want to overrule the majority decision, of course.

[IDM]

Or the bottom line is to have security of income.!!

[Bentley Bullet]

It seems to me the bottom line is getting your own way because in your opinion it is the best option, in which case it was a waste of time pretending to be democratic in the first place.

[IDM]

No, the bottom line is having some form of security rather than chaos.

Getting back to brexit which is what this is all about really, no deal = chaos, agree a deal = security..

[Bentley Bullet]

No, the bottom line is having your own way and f**k democracy.

[IDM]

Democracy.?

The country voted to leave, it didn’t vote to leave with no deal..

[Bentley Bullet]

People of the United Kingdom did not vote to say they wanted a deal with the EU — they voted to leave.

[IDM]

And here we go..

Didn’t the leave manifesto say “we will secure a deal” or words to that effect?

Therefore, whether meaning to or not, leave voters noted to leave with a deal and by default, not to leave with no deal..

[Bentley Bullet]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

[SydneyRover]

So why the f**k didn't they???????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Bentley Bullet]

Because parliament didn't want to honour a democratic vote?

[IDM]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

They did, vicariously..

It’s like if you vote Tory in the next GE because you want Johnson to be the PM, then you are voting  for what they say in the manifesto..

There’s no point in repeating the same argument when you’re being contrary for the sake of it..

[DonnyOsmond]

It's like voting Tories and saying you didn't vote for austerity. Yeah, you did. It was in their manifesto.

[SydneyRover]

Because parliament didn't want to honour a democratic vote?

Your own side let you down and screwed you over and you just can't get over that fact can you?

[Bentley Bullet]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

They did, vicariously..

It’s like if you vote Tory in the next GE because you want Johnson to be the PM, then you are voting  for what they say in the manifesto..

There’s no point in repeating the same argument when you’re being contrary for the sake of it..

[bobjimwilly]

People of the United Kingdom did not vote to say they wanted a deal with the EU — they voted to leave.

...After a campaign of broken promises and lies.

[bobjimwilly]

More democracy never killed a democracy - no democracy after 1 vote has killed plenty of democracies.

We need a peoples vote to sort this out once and for all. And you Brexiteers should be on board, after all, the will of the people is to leave, right?