Dodgy Dealings

[Bentley Bullet]

Whether leave would win again is irrelevant. It has already won, the problem is it hasn't been paid out yet.

[BillyStubbsTears]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

And there's the nub of the problem.

It's an undeniable fact that Leave is not a defined thing. It is an umbrella term for a group of mutually incompatible things.

The Referendum was like asking "Is your favourite colour Red or Not Red" then because Not Red won, a small group of politicians then saying "Ha! The favourite colour of the People is blue!"

There is no majority in the country for any specific form of Leave. So whichever Leave we chose would not be supported by a majority of the population. How undemocratic would that be.

And as I've said times many, we could have left by now but for the ERG voting against a specific form of Leave which they had no problems with in 2016.

[Bentley Bullet]

No, they said it was not Red, so Red shouldn't be still in the equation.

[IDM]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

They did, vicariously..

It’s like if you vote Tory in the next GE because you want Johnson to be the PM, then you are voting  for what they say in the manifesto..

There’s no point in repeating the same argument when you’re being contrary for the sake of it..

Are you suggesting people voted solely on the ballot paper itself, and took no notice whatsoever of the campaigns nor the manifestos?  The latter of which (for leave) said they would get a deal.

Are you saying the electorate voted blind, unaware of the issues.?  But then it is undemocratic to even suggest another vote when there is actually some clarity on those issues.?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So 48% said Red.

When asked later, about 30% said blue and 22% said some other colour.

So it has to be blue then, yes?

[IDM]

No, they said it was not Red, so Red shouldn't be still in the equation.

But you still cant conclude the outcome was blue, either..

[Axholme Lion]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

And there's the nub of the problem.

It's an undeniable fact that Leave is not a defined thing. It is an umbrella term for a group of mutually incompatible things.

The Referendum was like asking "Is your favourite colour Red or Not Red" then because Not Red won, a small group of politicians then saying "Ha! The favourite colour of the People is blue!"

There is no majority in the country for any specific form of Leave. So whichever Leave we chose would not be supported by a majority of the population. How undemocratic would that be.

And as I've said times many, we could have left by now but for the ERG voting against a specific form of Leave which they had no problems with in 2016.

Well if that is the case it should have been a two stage referendum.
Stage one leave or remain. Remain win and it's game over. Leave win then move on to stage two. Leave with whatever deal can be agreed on or leave with no deal. Either way the winner and loser should have no complaints because the initial result would be honoured. Sounds fair to me.

[Bentley Bullet]

So 48% said Red.

When asked later, about 30% said blue and 22% said some other colour.

So it has to be blue then, yes?

Yes. The majority still want out. A mixture of the Government's incompetence and parliament's desire to remain has resulted in the split between the Blues and the other colour, but Red is in the minority and should clearly have been eliminated from the contest.

[Glyn_Wigley]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

And there's the nub of the problem.

It's an undeniable fact that Leave is not a defined thing. It is an umbrella term for a group of mutually incompatible things.

The Referendum was like asking "Is your favourite colour Red or Not Red" then because Not Red won, a small group of politicians then saying "Ha! The favourite colour of the People is blue!"

There is no majority in the country for any specific form of Leave. So whichever Leave we chose would not be supported by a majority of the population. How undemocratic would that be.

And as I've said times many, we could have left by now but for the ERG voting against a specific form of Leave which they had no problems with in 2016.

Well if that is the case it should have been a two stage referendum.
Stage one leave or remain. Remain win and it's game over. Leave win then move on to stage two. Leave with whatever deal can be agreed on or leave with no deal. Either way the winner and loser should have no complaints because the initial result would be honoured. Sounds fair to me.

Gentlemen, I think we have a breakthrough.

[Axholme Lion]

They did not vote for a deal, they voted to leave.

And there's the nub of the problem.

It's an undeniable fact that Leave is not a defined thing. It is an umbrella term for a group of mutually incompatible things.

The Referendum was like asking "Is your favourite colour Red or Not Red" then because Not Red won, a small group of politicians then saying "Ha! The favourite colour of the People is blue!"

There is no majority in the country for any specific form of Leave. So whichever Leave we chose would not be supported by a majority of the population. How undemocratic would that be.

And as I've said times many, we could have left by now but for the ERG voting against a specific form of Leave which they had no problems with in 2016.

Well if that is the case it should have been a two stage referendum.
Stage one leave or remain. Remain win and it's game over. Leave win then move on to stage two. Leave with whatever deal can be agreed on or leave with no deal. Either way the winner and loser should have no complaints because the initial result would be honoured. Sounds fair to me.

Gentlemen, I think we have a breakthrough.

ARRGGGHHHH!!!!! 

[Bentley Bullet]

Why not just have a general election as soon as Jezza plucks up the courage?

[IDM]

Why not just have a general election as soon as Jezza plucks up the courage?

You've not watched nor read any news in the last few days then.?

The groundswell of political opinion is avoid no deal first, period.

Then have a vote of no confidence or a GE..

[Glyn_Wigley]

Why not just have a general election as soon as Jezza plucks up the courage?

One thing at a time.

[Axholme Lion]

We ought to build a computer to make the decisions to run the country properly, then we could bin off all the self serving fiddlers in the big house. Think of all the coin we could save on admin, expenses, peerages etc. 

[foxbat]

the (criminally run ) referendum was only advisory

[Bentley Bullet]

We ought to build a computer to make the decisions to run the country properly, then we could bin off all the self serving fiddlers in the big house. Think of all the coin we could save on admin, expenses, peerages etc. 

What's wrong with Corbyn's old and trusted abacus that Michael Foot gave him?

[Axholme Lion]

the (criminally run ) referendum was only advisory

A once in a generation decision
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The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.
If you’re aged 18 or over by 23rd June and are entitled
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Registration ends on 7th June. Find out how to register at Aboutmyvote.co.uk
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If you would like to know
more about any of the information in this leaflet,
go to: EUReferendum.gov.uk

Not what it says on here?

[Glyn_Wigley]

the (criminally run ) referendum was only advisory

A once in a generation decision
The referendum on Thursday, 23rd June is your chance to decide if we should remain in or leave the European Union.
The Government believes it is in the best interests of the UK to remain in the EU.
This is the way to protect jobs, provide security, and strengthen the UK’s economy for every family in this country – a clear path into the future, in contrast to the uncertainty of leaving.
This is your decision. The Government will implement what you decide.
If you’re aged 18 or over by 23rd June and are entitled
to vote, this is your chance
to decide.
Registration ends on 7th June. Find out how to register at Aboutmyvote.co.uk
and register online at
Gov.uk/register-to-vote
If you would like to know
more about any of the information in this leaflet,
go to: EUReferendum.gov.uk

Not what it says on here?

The Government making those promises is long gone. Take your complaints to them.

[BillyStubbsTears]

AL

That text shows just how slipshod Cameron was.

It's a tenet of our system that no Govt can bind the hands of a future Govt. Once Cameron resigned, that promise was legally worthless.

[Draytonian III]

If 11 players in a football team take a vote on the two players who want to be captain and Johnny Jones gets 6 votes and Billy Brown gets 5 votes, Johnny Jones is elected as the captain, democracy.

[SydneyRover]

I know that one the answer is green 

[Bentley Bullet]

I know that one the answer is green 

Yes, you are Syderney. Very.

[IDM]

If 11 players in a football team take a vote on the two players who want to be captain and Johnny Jones gets 6 votes and Billy Brown gets 5 votes, Johnny Jones is elected as the captain, democracy.

And if he proves to be crap, they can vote again .

Thats democratic too..

[SydneyRover]

It's not easy being green

[Bentley Bullet]

If 11 players in a football team take a vote on the two players who want to be captain and Johnny Jones gets 6 votes and Billy Brown gets 5 votes, Johnny Jones is elected as the captain, democracy.

And if he proves to be crap, they can vote again .

Thats democratic too..

But if he's not even given the chance to prove himself, that is undemocratic.

[DonnyOsmond]

Why not just have a general election as soon as Jezza plucks up the courage?

You've not watched nor read any news in the last few days then.?

The groundswell of political opinion is avoid no deal first, period.

Then have a vote of no confidence or a GE..

Or in the last month. They've always said they'll give him a GE as soon as no deals off the table. I guess some people are too simple to understand that and just think he's too scared.

[Bentley Bullet]

It's not only Corbyn that's scared of an election, but the Labour party is also scared with him in charge!

[DonnyOsmond]

It's not only Corbyn that's scared of an election, but the Labour party is also scared with him in charge!

Like I said... Simple.

[Bentley Bullet]

I wouldn't go as far as that, but he's no party leader.

[BillyStubbsTears]

So 48% said Red.

When asked later, about 30% said blue and 22% said some other colour.

So it has to be blue then, yes?

Yes. The majority still want out. A mixture of the Government's incompetence and parliament's desire to remain has resulted in the split between the Blues and the other colour, but Red is in the minority and should clearly have been eliminated from the contest.

So you KNOW then that of the 52% who said that Red wasn't their favourite colour, none of them would prefer Red to Blue given a binary choice?

And how do you know that?