Tide turning?

[i_ateallthepies]

Which bits were better?

The power cuts?
The back to back pit house slums?
The chronic underperformance of our economy?

Nostalgia eh? It's not as good as it used to be.

Well looking back at the "trial" Membership we had in 1973 which went on for 2 years seems to back that up

We had a Referendum of course at the end of it and there would have been the same (or similar) demograhic spread as the last Referendum

So lots of older people were voting who were (then) in a better place to judge the past having lived through it than me a mere 20 odd year old - and that produced a 66% REMAIN v 33 LEAVE result.

So that backs up your statement perhaps that before we voted join (or remain) 2/3rds of those voting thought we would be better off how we had been "living" for those 2 years than we had in many previous years / times

Clumsy way of saying it but hey I know what I mean

Dead right, chaps. 

Outside toilets?
Smog?
Frost on the inside of your bedroom window in the morning?

Someone now saying times were better before we joined only goes to show how time can dull the memory.

[scawsby steve]

All of you on here spouting utter b*llocks about the 1960s either didn't live through those times, or you seriously need certifying.

Outside toilets and no central heating? Are you being f*cking serious?

[i_ateallthepies]

Perhaps, being a posh Scawsby git you didn't have it but born and raised in a pit house in Bolton on Dearne there definitely was no central heating.  There were still places with outside toilets too.

[scawsby steve]

Perhaps, being a posh Scawsby git you didn't have it but born and raised in a pit house in Bolton on Dearne there definitely was no central heating.  There were still places with outside toilets too.

I was born and bred in Bentley mate, and worked at Bentley Pit. Yes, there were outside toilets in the 1950s, but I'm talking about the 1960s, a decade full of consumerism.

Or maybe you find today's society better, with people sleeping in doorways, drugs all over the place, now decriminalised, and people being shot and stabbed all over the country.

I know which era I prefer.

[i_ateallthepies]

Steve,  I agree that homelessness, drugs and knife crime are a terrible blight on our country but this discussion is in the context of our membership of the EU.  You cannot seriously be trying to relate any of those ills with that. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

All of you on here spouting utter b*llocks about the 1960s either didn't live through those times, or you seriously need certifying.

Outside toilets and no central heating? Are you being f*cking serious?

Yes I'm being serious.

My grandparents had an outside shitter, a tin bath, and no running hot water until their pit house slum was knocked down in 1975. I spent a couple of nights a week there and every evening after school.

My parents who were considerably better off, couldn't afford central heating in more than 2 bedrooms until 1981.

I'm not sure which world you are remembering SS, but it ain't the one I grew up in.

[Filo]

Perhaps, being a posh Scawsby git you didn't have it but born and raised in a pit house in Bolton on Dearne there definitely was no central heating.  There were still places with outside toilets too.

I was born and bred in Bentley mate, and worked at Bentley Pit. Yes, there were outside toilets in the 1950s, but I'm talking about the 1960s, a decade full of consumerism.

Or maybe you find today's society better, with people sleeping in doorways, drugs all over the place, now decriminalised, and people being shot and stabbed all over the country.

I know which era I prefer.

I was born in 1963, we had an outside bog and no central heating until 1976, the big woollen blankets we had pinned you to the bed

[scawsby steve]

All of you on here spouting utter b*llocks about the 1960s either didn't live through those times, or you seriously need certifying.

Outside toilets and no central heating? Are you being f*cking serious?

Yes I'm being serious.

My grandparents had an outside shitter, a tin bath, and no running hot water until their pit house slum was knocked down in 1975. I spent a couple of nights a week there and every evening after school.

My parents who were considerably better off, couldn't afford central heating in more than 2 bedrooms until 1981.

I'm not sure which world you are remembering SS, but it ain't the one I grew up in.

BST, I may be wrong here, but I'm guessing that you're round about 50 years old. If so, you were born right at the end of the 1960s, which hardly puts you in the same position as me, when making an experience based synopsis.

[Glyn_Wigley]

If you have to have personally experienced something to have a valid opinion about it, why do Leavers keep going on about the War?

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

As I've said and as Glyn says, you don't have to live through something to have an informed opinion.

But, since you keep pushing that line, I experienced, pre-EU getting bathed in a tin bath in fron of the fire filled with kettles in a 2 up 2 down hovel with rats in the back yard.

That's my version of the glamorous past you seem to recall.

[idler]

I was installing and maintaining central heating systems in the mid sixties and there weren't many low to average wage earners putting it in.

[SydneyRover]

It was towards the end of the 60s before we had central heating or an internal toilet.

[turnbull for england]

In my job at council I was still ripping 'coppers' out of kitchens in early 90s and in 20 years ago our central heating programme was for houses with 0 rads then 1, 2 etc took years to 4. Housing is unrecognisable in those 30 years

[SydneyRover]

None of the hundreds of homes demolished to build this estate would have had central heating or inside toilets.

https://www.towerblock.eca.ed.ac.uk/development/balby-bridge-redevelopment-phase-i

[Glyn_Wigley]

And after all that, how ironic is this?

https://ec.europa.eu/easme/en/news/thinking-doing-some-home-energy-renovation-new-eu-funding-available

[albie]

I didn't know anybody with central heating in the sixties, and for years after that!

If you were in a pit house, then coal was the normal choice. Fireplace in the living room, and no heat upstairs except the hot water bottle at bedtime.

Frost on the inside of the window was normal...in 63 it was icicles.

Tell it to kids today and they think youre mental.

[turnbull for england]

Most retired folk were on free coal, we used to have a devil of a job getting widows to have gas conversion even though they got a gas allowance instead  as they saw it as something husbands had worked for.  That and they didn't feel comfy unless bunker was full, better than money in bank.

[SydneyRover]

families like ours where there were no pit workers we bought it directly from the pit delivery drivers I think at 5 quid a ton, but remember well the weeks when the ''coal house'' was empty where we burnt spud peelings wrapped tightly in newspaper and almost anything that burnt slow to warm the house and heat the water. I said earlier that the 60s were good years and some of them were but there was quite a few years of doing it tough.

[DonnyOsmond]

Perhaps, being a posh Scawsby git you didn't have it but born and raised in a pit house in Bolton on Dearne there definitely was no central heating.  There were still places with outside toilets too.

I was born and bred in Bentley mate, and worked at Bentley Pit. Yes, there were outside toilets in the 1950s, but I'm talking about the 1960s, a decade full of consumerism.

Or maybe you find today's society better, with people sleeping in doorways, drugs all over the place, now decriminalised, and people being shot and stabbed all over the country.

I know which era I prefer.

I think everyone can agree these are problems with the country but the difference between Remainers is we blame the Tories for austerity, cuts to public services, NHS, etc and Leavers for some reason blame the EU. Walking round Doncaster and looking at homelessness over the years it's only become a massive issue over the last 10 years for me, before that it was a managable issue.

[scawsby steve]

In 1968, I was working at Bentley Pit, and still living at home with my parents. We had central heating, double glazed windows, and colour TV. The old man liked a drink as well, and we were just typical of all the families around us.

I'm talking about Bentley West End, so something isn't adding up with the facts some of you have presented, unless you've got your eras mixed up.

[Glyn_Wigley]

You could afford a telly that would have cost around £5000 in today's money?

[BigH]

SS, I'm guessing your dad had had a win on the pools, premium bonds or the horses.

By definition, if you could afford a colour TV at that time, then you wouldn't have lived in Bentley.

To paraphrase Richard Pryor, Bentley was so poor that even the rainbow was in black and white!

[i_ateallthepies]

In 1968, I was working at Bentley Pit, and still living at home with my parents. We had central heating, double glazed windows, and colour TV. The old man liked a drink as well, and we were just typical of all the families around us.

I'm talking about Bentley West End, so something isn't adding up with the facts some of you have presented, unless you've got your eras mixed up.

1968 was right at the beginning of colour TV and only the very well off could afford one.  I was 13 yrs old and getting the bus from town I'd go on the top deck colour TV spotting, such a novelty were they then.  The full length of Spotborough road there were about six houses with colour TVs.  Bentley West End?  pfft.

[Bentley Bullet]

What's wrong with Bentley West End like?

[Not Now Kato]

What's wrong with Bentley West End like?

You mean you don't know?

[Bentley Bullet]

I'd like you to tell me. Where are you from?

[scawsby steve]

I'd like you to tell me. Where are you from?

Ignore them BB. They talk so much sh*te they're beyond belief. These are the people who take the p*ss out of the Dingles for being outdated, then talk about tin baths being the norm in the 1960s, an era touted by all historians as the most revolutionary decade in history.

It' so ludicrous it's laughable.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've got it SS. You're a Russian bot aren't you?

You've obviously got not the first idea what Denaby was like in the 60s and 70s, then when folk put you right, you accuse them of making it up.

Need to up your game tovarich.

[SydneyRover]

I'd like you to tell me. Where are you from?

Ignore them BB. They talk so much sh*te they're beyond belief. These are the people who take the p*ss out of the Dingles for being outdated, then talk about tin baths being the norm in the 1960s, an era touted by all historians as the most revolutionary decade in history.

It' so ludicrous it's laughable.

Arise Sir Steve of Scawsby, ( of the only rich family in the village) 

If you please kind sir, would you care to cast your eyes upon the graph contained within the link and pray learn it's contents, but before doing so please estimate, to oneself naturally what percentage of homes had such fine installations of heating of the central kind in the year of our lord 1970.

Percentage of households with central heating systems in the United Kingdom (UK) from 1970 to 2018

https://www.statista.com/statistics/289137/central-heating-in-households-in-the-uk/

[scawsby steve]

I've got it SS. You're a Russian bot aren't you?

You've obviously got not the first idea what Denaby was like in the 60s and 70s, then when folk put you right, you accuse them of making it up.

Need to up your game tovarich.

So Denaby was typical of the rest of the country in the 1960s?

You're brilliant at politics and economics BST, but sadly lacking at social history. Don't worry mate, nobody can be good at everything. Not even me.