Heartily sick of B****t ?

[Donnywolf]

 

[wing commander]

My wish list.....Get the deal done...Have a Election so the Tory's can get a decent working majority,Labour can then get rid of it's leaders and start to become some kind of effective opposition party again, and then we can start looking at all the things we've neglected over the last 3 years...

[DonnyOsmond]

My wish list.....Get the deal done...Have a Election so the Tory's can get a decent working majority,Labour can then get rid of it's leaders and start to become some kind of effective opposition party again, and then we can start looking at all the things we've neglected over the last 3 years...

More austerity?

[wing commander]

Hopefully not, but history tells you past Labour goverments debts always take a lot of paying off..

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hopefully not, but history tells you past Labour goverments debts always take a lot of paying off..

Absolute garbage.

The Labour Govt of 1945-51 inherited a horrific national debt at the end of WWII (we had to borrow huge amounts to survive). The national debt was at 215% of GDP in 1945. They got it down to 175% by 1951.

When Labour came to power in 1964, the national debt was 91% of GDP. They got it down to 64% by the time they lost the 1970 election.

When Labour came back to power in 1974, the debt was 48% of GDP. When they lost the election in 1979 it was 44%.

When Labour came to power in 1997, the national debt was 42% of GDP. By 2008, just before the Great Financial Crash it was 39%.

Yes, after 2008, the debt exploded, just as it did everywhere in the developed world, because Government tax income collapsed due to the horrific recession, and Govt had to spend more to keep the economy afloat. But that is the one and only time that a Labour Govt has EVER increased the national debt to GDP ratio.

[SydneyRover]

Hopefully not, but history tells you past Labour goverments debts always take a lot of paying off..

So Wing Commander do you accept being:

A little bit wrong
B quite a bit wrong
C Repeating what you have said before and mostly wrong?

[selby]

  What you are ignoring Syd and BST is that past labour governments did't have the useless set of idiots in charge that they would have now, and have to get over taking us into an illegal war costing soldiers lives, and skimming the pensions of ordinary working people.

[Pancho Regan]

Are you sure this was a good idea Wolfie....?

[rtid88]

  What you are ignoring Syd and BST is that past labour governments did't have the useless set of idiots in charge that they would have now, and have to get over taking us into an illegal war costing soldiers lives, and skimming the pensions of ordinary working people.

But your happy for an abhorrant racist, sexist buffoon to be in charge of the country....don't get me wrong I cannot stand Corbyn, I think he is a complete waste of space, but if we bow down to Johnson now this country will be in even more of a shambles and owned by an American dictator...

[BillyStubbsTears]

Selby.

You're clearly impervious to facts, but I'll keep on trying.

I assume you DO realise that John McDonnell has signed up to a promise to run a balanced current budget as Chancellor? Meaning that the only borrowing he would do, is for infrastructure projects which pay or themselves through the multiplier effect.

In summary, you are talking b*llocks and making judgements based on political prejudices which are not in any way supported by easily checkable facts.

[i_ateallthepies]

59% remain.  Troubling isn't it... when you boil down the information posted about B****t on here over the last three years - The tidal wave of evidence that it would disadvantage all but the very wealthiest in our society and with virtually no evidence offered to say it would be a good thing, there remains 40% of us still believe it to be worth doing.

Doesn't bode well for the outcome if a 2nd referendum were one to be held when the vast bulk of the population of the country haven't had the benefit of having the truth laid before them in the way we have.

[Donnywolf]

Are you sure this was a good idea Wolfie....?

  ........ absolutely not !

Especially this bit Please just vote-there are enough Threads on here on already

[BillyStubbsTears]

I stumbled across a ComRes poll the other day. From July 2016, a month after the referendum.

It asked a very specific and direct question:

Given that Brexit is going to happen, would you personally prioritise a) Remaining in the Single Market or b) Controlling immigration.

The results were 69% for a) and 31% for b).

Instead we've got an outcome in front of us where staying in the single market has not even been on the agenda, and we have right wing loon after right wing loon marched in front of the  cameras to tell us that the public clearly stated in 2016 that we wanted to leave all the features of the EU.

We've been had as a country. This has been a coup by the far right of British politics to drive through a Brexit that was never remotely discussed in 2016. And those who voted Brexit then, without ever considering that this is where it would take us to, have been treated as chumps and told what they thought three years ago by a bunch of toffs and city spivs.

[Donnywolf]

... and started as I will say again and again after a 66 -34 Remain vote (8 times the majority than 2016)

It was dissed by Tory MPS whose sprogs are now telling us to have a Second Referendum would be "anti democratic"

Total hypocrites

[scawsby steve]

59% remain.  Troubling isn't it... when you boil down the information posted about B****t on here over the last three years - The tidal wave of evidence that it would disadvantage all but the very wealthiest in our society and with virtually no evidence offered to say it would be a good thing, there remains 40% of us still believe it to be worth doing.

Doesn't bode well for the outcome if a 2nd referendum were one to be held when the vast bulk of the population of the country haven't had the benefit of having the truth laid before them in the way we have.

I don't know where you got your stats from, but all the polls I've seen on all the news channels are showing 28% Deal, 22% No Deal, and 42% Remain. By anybody's maths that's 50% wanting to leave.

[tommy toes]

He means the percentage from this poll.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Interesting thing is the remain voters on here are much larger vocally than the leave voters. The poll is much closer.....

It's like we often see in elections, the left much more vocal but often losing...

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'd have thought 56% to 44% was an over the hills and faraway majority in the current climate.

So much so that the views of the 44% should be now utterly ignored, they should be told to suck up the fact that they lost and then in 3 years time they should be blamed for it all going to shite.