General Election 2019 - 12th December

[scawsby steve]

A good night for the SNP apparently.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm numbed at the moment at that result.

The f**king anger at the idiots who have imposed Corbyn on us will come later.

Do you think it'll give the moderates in the Labour party the leverage to get the party back from Momentum?

I hope so, our system works best with a strong opposition

I think that Labour would do well to copy the Tories Leadership election system - the MPs whittle down to two candidates and then the membership votes on those two choices.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

If this result comes to fruition it's a case of “We told you once, now we're telling you again! “

Corbyn for me is a glorified union official, a protestor and not a leader. Sitting on the fence was a bad move! Labour need to get back to being more moderate under a new leader and be Realistic!

Then we can get back to sorting out the social policies, essential public services etc.

[Ldr]

Bang on

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm numbed at the moment at that result.

The f**king anger at the idiots who have imposed Corbyn on us will come later.

Do you think it'll give the moderates in the Labour party the leverage to get the party back from Momentum?

It'll be a long haul.

The far left membership controls the party. They are notoriously impervious to facts. Expect a stream of arguments that it is every f**ker's fault but theirs. Especially the electorate for not understanding.

I don't honestly know where the Labour party goes from here.

[Filo]

Laura Kuenssberg Is having orgasms on the BBC

[Glyn_Wigley]

If this result comes to fruition it's a case of “We told you once, now we're telling you again! “

Corbyn for me is a glorified union official, a protestor and not a leader. Sitting on the fence was a bad move! Labour need to get back to being more moderate under a new leader and be Realistic!

Then we can get back to sorting out the social policies, essential public services etc.

I said right at the start when he was elected leader that his natural position is as Labour's Jiminy Cricket, sitting on their shoulder and acting as their conscience. Not leading them.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The problem is the left always say they'll listen to the public then never actually do it.  The huge wins they had were centre policies under Blair, unless they move there they have no chance.  2017 made them think the left wing policies were right, but they weren't.

Still, the exit poll may be wrong....

The bbc predictor has doncaster central as too close to call, cant see it.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'm numbed at the moment at that result.

The f**king anger at the idiots who have imposed Corbyn on us will come later.

Do you think it'll give the moderates in the Labour party the leverage to get the party back from Momentum?

It'll be a long haul.

The far left membership controls the party. They are notoriously impervious to facts. Expect a stream of arguments that it is every f**ker's fault but theirs. Especially the electorate for not understanding.

I don't honestly know where the Labour party goes from here.

What could have a big effect on what happens next is which MPs fall by the waysideand therefore who is left to challenge for the leadership. It could be that Labour end up in the same position as the Tories after 1997 when they had to elect Hague because he was the only credible non-Ken Clarke option left standing.

[Sprotyrover]

I'm numbed at the moment at that result.

The f**king anger at the idiots who have imposed Corbyn on us will come later.

Do you think it'll give the moderates in the Labour party the leverage to get the party back from Momentum?

It'll be a long haul.
You are spot on there Billy, it was a catastrophic move when they let every Tom Dick and Trotsky join for £3.50.

The far left membership controls the party. They are notoriously impervious to facts. Expect a stream of arguments that it is every f**ker's fault but theirs. Especially the electorate for not understanding.

I don't honestly know where the Labour party goes from here.

[bobjimwilly]

If a more centre leaning leader can be elected, after Brexit has passed I can see all these new blue seats turning red again quite easily.
The manifesto wasn't even that bad, and was achieveable, but Corbyn was never going to win

[rabjohns]

Truly shocking result for the people of this country who voted for labour if the forecast is correct,to lose to a party with a leader of such proven poor character just rubs salt into the wounds

[DonnyOsmond]

Bassetlaw and Don Valley both look like they've gone.

[Sprotyrover]

Exit poll showing Don Valley likely to become a Tory seat!

[Sprotyrover]

Truly shocking result for the people of this country who voted for labour if the forecast is correct,to lose to a party with a leader of such proven poor character just rubs salt into the wounds

What does that say about Corbyn?

[rabjohns]

True

[Sprotyrover]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

[DonnyOsmond]

Truly shocking result for the people of this country who voted for labour if the forecast is correct,to lose to a party with a leader of such proven poor character just rubs salt into the wounds

What does that say about Corbyn?

That the smears have worked. Bet Rupert Murdoch is currently sipping some bubbly in Number 10.

[DonnyOsmond]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

It's an anti-Labour vote not a pro-Brexit vote.

[drfchound]

Hopefully the whole UK is like how this poll is currently going.

Well it's not.

If labour backed honouring the referendum theyd get my vote and many others.

Turf Corbyn and Abbot it will be even better for them.

They've gone too far left. People want to here immigration is controlled. She comes across announcing it as though it's gonna be a free for all and a 100 million population in 10 years time

 Dry insightful Padge.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

If a more centre leaning leader can be elected, after Brexit has passed I can see all these new blue seats turning red again quite easily.
The manifesto wasn't even that bad, and was achieveable, but Corbyn was never going to win

The manifesto was too extreme. Had he left the utilities out of it (except water) for example, it may have been more credible. Many folks private pensions are tied up in these pension funds and you could see them going tits up under labour.

[Filo]

From the first three declarations it’s obvious that the Brexit Party have done some damage to Labour

[SydneyRover]

As of next week the economy is going to be that good I'm considering coming over just to set up business 

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

Yes, it's a shame if she does as she was true to her constituents.

[scawsby steve]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

It's an anti-Labour vote not a pro-Brexit vote.

Totally disagree with that. All the lifelong Labour supporters I know have voted Tory, which is something I would never do as an ex-miner, and they've put it down to nothing other than revenge for Brexit.

For what it's worth, I think this is a one-off. Get the right leader in and Labour can recover.

[bpoolrover]

Has the turn out been smaller so far? Blackpool south turnout was 56 percent seems very low

[Campsall rover]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

But her leader wasn’t was he. He refuses to say what he thinks but we know he was a remainer

Caroline Flint wasn’t going to be PM

The public are not thick are they. Doncaster had a 67% leave vote.
Hence massive Tory gains in Labour heartlands.

[Filo]

I think that this is going to worse than the exit poll suggests, the swing from lab to con is fairly consistant across the declared seats so far

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

It's an anti-Labour vote not a pro-Brexit vote.

Totally disagree with that. All the lifelong Labour supporters I know have voted Tory, which is something I would never do as an ex-miner, and they've put it down to nothing other than revenge for Brexit.

For what it's worth, I think this is a one-off. Get the right leader in and Labour can recover.

Could be right. You ignore your heartlands at your peril.

Many have been waiting since 1972?for this and won't let that chance be circumvented.

Corbyn is a problem for Labour but also as said above, too far left and for those of us who remember high interest rates, inflation etc etc you can imagine how we might pay for Labour's polocies.

That said, there is much we don't like about the squeezing of public services and the outsourcing which need addressing.

If Labour had come out with “Let's make Britain Great again“ “Let's lead the world“ once the referendum result came then, it's a different story.

[Campsall rover]

Can't understand It if Flint loses her seat she was all for Brexit.

It's an anti-Labour vote not a pro-Brexit vote.

Totally disagree with that. All the lifelong Labour supporters I know have voted Tory, which is something I would never do as an ex-miner, and they've put it down to nothing other than revenge for Brexit.

For what it's worth, I think this is a one-off. Get the right leader in and Labour can recover.

2024 election will go to the Conservatives because the Labour Party will have to get the biggest swing probably in history to win a majority.
Boris will have to make a complete shambles of his Premiership for his party to lose next time.