General Election 2019 - 12th December

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

I appreciate your skill at running the business. Takes a lot of skill and effort.

One thing though. You're totally wrong when you say "There are many of the best brains in the country telling us all one thing then another set telling us the opposite."

The economic field is overwhelmingly of the same opinion on Brexit. One of the most depressing things about the media coverage, is that, in their obsession for "balance" they are compelled to give equal time to both sides, even when the true balance of opinion among experts is massively weighted in one direction.

You will not find any credible, independent economics expert anywhere in the country who thinks Brexit will be anything but very bad for the economy.

[drfchound]

Hound.

I appreciate your skill at running the business. Takes a lot of skill and effort.

One thing though. You're totally wrong when you say "There are many of the best brains in the country telling us all one thing then another set telling us the opposite."

The economic field is overwhelmingly of the same opinion on Brexit. One of the most depressing things about the media coverage, is that, in their obsession for "balance" they are compelled to give equal time to both sides, even when the true balance of opinion among experts is massively weighted in one direction.

You will not find any credible, independent economics expert anywhere in the country who thinks Brexit will be anything but very bad for the economy.

Which is why I voted to Remain.

My posts on this subject are not necessarily questions that I would be asking myself, but questions that the general public might be asking.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Understood.

[Bentley Bullet]

Hound.

I appreciate your skill at running the business. Takes a lot of skill and effort.

One thing though. You're totally wrong when you say "There are many of the best brains in the country telling us all one thing then another set telling us the opposite."

The economic field is overwhelmingly of the same opinion on Brexit. One of the most depressing things about the media coverage, is that, in their obsession for "balance" they are compelled to give equal time to both sides, even when the true balance of opinion among experts is massively weighted in one direction.

You will not find any credible, independent economics expert anywhere in the country who thinks Brexit will be anything but very bad for the economy.

Which is why I voted to Remain.

My posts on this subject are not necessarily questions that I would be asking myself, but questions that the general public might be asking.

Hound, I've said more or less the same. You're wasting your time, mate. Your messenger stance just leaves you to be shot at!

The keyword here is and always has been 'credible'. If the Remoaners don't agree with someone's opinion they just say they're not credible, so there is no point in offering an alternative opinion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB

Why do you do this?

The reason I say that the only senior economist in the country who supports Brexit (Patrick Minford) is not credible is NOT because I don't agree with him.

It's because he's a maverick who refuses to include concepts that are mainstream in economic research all over the world. Like Gravity effects in trade.

It's because he was the driving force behind Thatcher's insane experiment in 1981, where they cut Govt spending at the depth of a vicious recession and turned a bad recession into a horrific one that put 4million on the dole and killed heavy industry in the North.

The fact that you assume people ignore evidence that doesn't agree with them says everything about YOU I'm afraid.

[SydneyRover]

As I said Hound it was only a guess and I was wrong now if you could reciprocate and tell me how you could have run your business better with less customers and having a to fill in export/import declarations or whatever and pay for the privilege, thanks in advance 

[drfchound]

As I said Hound it was only a guess and I was wrong now if you could reciprocate and tell me how you could have run your business better with less customers and having a to fill in export/import declarations or whatever and pay for the privilege, thanks in advance 

Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years.
So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially.

[SydneyRover]

Hound.

I appreciate your skill at running the business. Takes a lot of skill and effort.

One thing though. You're totally wrong when you say "There are many of the best brains in the country telling us all one thing then another set telling us the opposite."

The economic field is overwhelmingly of the same opinion on Brexit. One of the most depressing things about the media coverage, is that, in their obsession for "balance" they are compelled to give equal time to both sides, even when the true balance of opinion among experts is massively weighted in one direction.

You will not find any credible, independent economics expert anywhere in the country who thinks Brexit will be anything but very bad for the economy.

Which is why I voted to Remain.

My posts on this subject are not necessarily questions that I would be asking myself, but questions that the general public might be asking.

Hound, I've said more or less the same. You're wasting your time, mate. Your messenger stance just leaves you to be shot at!

The keyword here is and always has been 'credible'. If the Remoaners don't agree with someone's opinion they just say they're not credible, so there is no point in offering an alternative opinion.

The key word is persverse, you can count up on your dick how may credible economists think our economy is going to be better with Brexit, so instead of thinking yourself as a knight in shining armour (not exactly sure what/if you are thinking this through at all) you are in fact a snake oil salesman selling the UK down the river, you are making the economy worse and it of course is happening now, and giving oxygen to Scotland and those in that want to go it alone.

Honouring the vote, democracy, in the past you'd have been jailed or worse for being a traitor, I'm not saying we should go back to those times because we have learnt that constructive criticism is a good thing but Brexit is not good is it, and trotting out 'I or anyone can't know' is just so much horse shit. We have learnt, understood that the voting process was corrupted, we know Brexit will be bad and the country in light of this can change our minds.

You have the right to be wrong and that's why the key word is perverse. 

[SydneyRover]

As I said Hound it was only a guess and I was wrong now if you could reciprocate and tell me how you could have run your business better with less customers and having a to fill in export/import declarations or whatever and pay for the privilege, thanks in advance 

None of the tools and equipment you used was imported or exported ?






Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years.
So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially.

[drfchound]

As I said Hound it was only a guess and I was wrong now if you could reciprocate and tell me how you could have run your business better with less customers and having a to fill in export/import declarations or whatever and pay for the privilege, thanks in advance 

None of the tools and equipment you used was imported or exported ?






Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years.
So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially.

I didn’t say that did I?

I said that I (me personally) didn’t import or export.



I also wrote my post in the right order and place. 😉

[SydneyRover]

I'll take that as a yes if you don't mind then Hound 

[drfchound]

You can take it however you want to, I don’t care really.

I answered your questions honestly and you can interpret it however you like.

[SydneyRover]

You can take it however you want to, I don’t care really.

I answered your questions honestly and you can interpret it however you like.

It's not an interpretation it's facts Hound, some of the tools and equipment (and stock) you used were likely imported and exported therefore if you were running your business under Brexit especially No-Deal your business would affected.

[drfchound]

You can take it however you want to, I don’t care really.

I answered your questions honestly and you can interpret it however you like.

It's not an interpretation it's facts Hound, some of the tools and equipment (and stock) you used were likely imported and exported therefore if you were running your business under Brexit especially No-Deal your business would affected.

You say that as if I don’t know.
Really?
Lots of the products we sold came in from abroad, much of it from China in actual fact.

Have you not noticed that I am against Brexit and in particular (if Brexit does happen) a no deal Brexit.

[SydneyRover]

You can take it however you want to, I don’t care really.

I answered your questions honestly and you can interpret it however you like.

It's not an interpretation it's facts Hound, some of the tools and equipment (and stock) you used were likely imported and exported therefore if you were running your business under Brexit especially No-Deal your business would affected.

You say that as if I don’t know.
Really?
Lots of the products we sold came in from abroad, much of it from China in actual fact.

Have you not noticed that I am against Brexit and in particular (if Brexit does happen) a no deal Brexit.

Hard to tell from your argument what you believe Hound (not being funny)

''Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years
    So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially''

''You say that as if I don’t know.
Really?''

You appear to have missed the bit that even if you did neither your business would still be affected.

But the debate appears to have reached some sort of conclusion, you don't support Brexit and a business that uses imported-exported products will be affected. 

[drfchound]

You can take it however you want to, I don’t care really.

I answered your questions honestly and you can interpret it however you like.

It's not an interpretation it's facts Hound, some of the tools and equipment (and stock) you used were likely imported and exported therefore if you were running your business under Brexit especially No-Deal your business would affected.

You say that as if I don’t know.
Really?
Lots of the products we sold came in from abroad, much of it from China in actual fact.

Have you not noticed that I am against Brexit and in particular (if Brexit does happen) a no deal Brexit.

Hard to tell from your argument what you believe Hound (not being funny)

''Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years
    So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially''

''You say that as if I don’t know.
Really?''

You appear to have missed the bit that even if you did neither your business would still be affected.

But the debate appears to have reached some sort of conclusion, you don't support Brexit and a business that uses imported-exported products will be affected. 

I have always openly said on here that I voted to remain.
As for would the business be affected, well yes it might.
The products from China may not be, in fact products from such places as the USA,India, Japan and China might come in at an advantageous rate after Brexit but I guess we don’t know until or if it happens.

Time will tell.

[SydneyRover]

I'll let Glyn if he's around take that one.

[Glyn_Wigley]

As I said Hound it was only a guess and I was wrong now if you could reciprocate and tell me how you could have run your business better with less customers and having a to fill in export/import declarations or whatever and pay for the privilege, thanks in advance 

None of the tools and equipment you used was imported or exported ?






Easy, I didn’t export or import and I could have done better if I had been lucky enough to have avoided some of the non payers that I encountered over the years.
So although my sales figures would have been lower if I had had fewer customers (the bad payers in case you missed that bit) I would have been better off financially.

I didn’t say that did I?

I said that I (me personally) didn’t import or export.



I also wrote my post in the right order and place. 😉

You'd have been paying more to those that did to/from the EU though.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I'll let Glyn if he's around take that one.

I'm generalising but I'd guess most plumbing hardware would be articles of either plastic or metal?

We might get a better arrangement after Brexit, but it's very unlikely. We just don't have the strength to twist their arms on our own. India and China are GSP countries anyway and we've all seen what weirdness Trump has pulled when it comes to protectionism regarding imports of metal.

[foxbat]

Britain now has baby foodbanks.

That's foodbanks to provide nappies, wipes & baby food because parents are unable to afford to provide for their babies in Tory Britain - the 6th richest nation on earth.

If you don't want to get the Tories out, YOU are the reason babies are hungry.

[Bentley Bullet]

The shocking thing about this is it's not shocking. It is what's to be expected from some of the lefties. Can all normal people now see why many, many people would not touch the Labour party with a barge pole?

See, I'd find it hard, nay impossible to be on the same side as someone with your view. I wonder if your fellow lefties feel ever so slightly embarrassed by it?

[drfchound]

Britain now has baby foodbanks.

That's foodbanks to provide nappies, wipes & baby food because parents are unable to afford to provide for their babies in Tory Britain - the 6th richest nation on earth.

If you don't want to get the Tories out, YOU are the reason babies are hungry.

What about a Tory voter who donates to baby food banks?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

That's always a sticking plaster. The fact that we need them in 21st century Britain is shameful. Utterly shameful.

It's great that people donate when there's a need. But it's awful that we've just shrugged our shoulders at the fact that the need exists.

It doesn't have to be like that.

[drfchound]

Hound.

That's always a sticking plaster. The fact that we need them in 21st century Britain is shameful. Utterly shameful.

It's great that people donate when there's a need. But it's awful that we've just shrugged our shoulders at the fact that the need exists.

It doesn't have to be like that.

You do know that my post was tongue in cheek BST, you do............don’t you......

[BillyStubbsTears]

I did with hindsight Hound! I get too wound up on these things...

[SydneyRover]

The shocking thing about this is it's not shocking. It is what's to be expected from some of the lefties. Can all normal people now see why many, many people would not touch the Labour party with a barge pole?

See, I'd find it hard, nay impossible to be on the same side as someone with your view. I wonder if your fellow lefties feel ever so slightly embarrassed by it?

Not half as embarrassing as being an apologist for the selfish greedy tw#ts that perpetuate it, aye bb

[Bentley Bullet]

I was actually addressing normal people, Sydney.

[SydneyRover]

At what time will you be giving the next in your series of almost daily talks on 'principles' bb, the gist of the last one is fading somewhat and I probably need reassurances from your good self that I've understood how it works, is it principles that apply to all or just those with differing views to ones self?

[SydneyRover]

Some thoughts for anyone considering not voting for any reason for any party.

''I grew up in Stalinist Albania, where voting was pointless. In Britain, it’s essential
Lea Ypi
Election day is the one day when all citizens have equal power. It’s your duty to use it on behalf of those who cannot vote''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/11/stalinist-albania-voting-britain-election-migrants

[Donnywolf]

Agree to a degree but I dont think all citizens DO have equal power

Greens polled 525664 votes nationwide in 2017 and got 1 seat
Lib Dems polled 2,371,861 votes nationwide in 2017 and got 12 seats (12 times more for  under 5 times more votes)

SNP polled 977,568 votes in 2017 and got 35 seats (35 times the Greens from under twice the number of votes AND 3 times the seats won by Lib Dems with Lib Dems polling twice as many votes for a third as many seats)

First past the Post should GO and be replaced by something more representative