General Election 2019 - 12th December

[SydneyRover]

I don't disagree, but I think the stress of the article is about getting out and voting DW

[Donnywolf]

True

What worries me is IF Johnson wins a majority he / they will know PR calls are rising and rising and I fear he / they will put a stop to that momentum

I was thinking they could rubber stamp FPTP system for say 50 years and effectively kill it off - however ...

.... I dont know how the system works Parliament wise though so they may not be able to do it. (Hope not)

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is what post-truth era media looks like.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1193841182260027393

The Express showing its contempt for its readers. The economy is in dire shape. After a shockingly bad decade of growth, we're currently growing at the worst rate in that decade. The Express tells its readers that we are booming.

[SydneyRover]

This is what post-truth era media looks like.

https://mobile.twitter.com/TomKibasi/status/1193841182260027393

The Express showing its contempt for its readers. The economy is in dire shape. After a shockingly bad decade of growth, we're currently growing at the worst rate in that decade. The Express tells its readers that we are booming.

I have every confidence that the express is on par with the mail in the race to produce the most unintelligible rubbish, fake news champions.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The Express is far worse  horrific paper.

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/evolvepolitics/status/1193226353635659776?s=19

A couple month old now but this is the Express.

[DonnyOsmond]

Also, looks like we're in the loony territory again where the Labour party are being hounded whether they'd use Trident to kill millions of civilians and when they say no they're seen as bad people.

[IDM]

The shocking thing about this is it's not shocking. It is what's to be expected from some of the lefties. Can all normal people now see why many, many people would not touch the Labour party with a barge pole?

See, I'd find it hard, nay impossible to be on the same side as someone with your view. I wonder if your fellow lefties feel ever so slightly embarrassed by it?

So your decision on which way to vote is more about your perceptions of other voters, ahead of the actual issues or parties you can vote for.?

You made the same point about Brexit I recall..

[wing commander]

   Farage just announced the Brexit Party wont stand in Tory held seats but will field candidates against all other opposition party's..What impact will that have do people think?? Great news for Boris not so good for Labour..

[rtid88]

What's this another lie from Farage and Johnson surely not???

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Youd think it's a big help to him.

[DonnyOsmond]

No deal here we come.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The Express is far worse  horrific paper.

I don't know. The Express comes across as gullible fools, whereas the Mail is nasty on top.

[wing commander]

   I know bookies odds don't mean that much but I've been watching them with interest.Labours odds had been shortening to 7/2 and 4-1 as last week went on.That announcement by Farage has just shot them out to between 9-11-1 and the Tory's now 20-1 on in places..

  Has Farage just killed Labours election hopes in one press conference..?? Still a long way to go though with many twists and turns to come.

[Donnywolf]

What's this another lie from Farage and Johnson surely not???

They deserve each other BUT what do we as Voters get out of this / what can we believe

Its ONLY about 4 or 5 days since Farage said unless Johnson scrapped his deal altogether the B****t Party would field a candidate in every seat

Johnson said basically eff off Farage and days later he (Farage) said right thats it - I am going to stand down all Candidates in Tory held Seats to avoid splitting those Votes

Can ANYONE believe ANYTHING any of these people say ? I cant

[DonnyOsmond]

What's this another lie from Farage and Johnson surely not???

They deserve each other BUT what do we as Voters get out of this / what can we believe

Its ONLY about 4 or 5 days since Farage said unless Johnson scrapped his deal altogether the B****t Party would field a candidate in every seat

Johnson said basically eff off Farage and days later he (Farage) said right thats it - I am going to stand down all Candidates in Tory held Seats to avoid splitting those Votes

Can ANYONE believe ANYTHING any of these people say ? I cant

They've had a chat behind the scenes and Farage has been promised something even if it's just the transition period not being extended which would increase chances of no deal.

[bpoolrover]

Don’t think he had a option really going by the polls as Farage was losing votes over it

[wing commander]

  I always suspected this was coming,it was far easier for the Tory's to get the brexit party on side than any other Party.Farage has no other interest other than Brexit.He wants it done so he can step away from Political life with his lifetime work achieved.
  The Libs are at the polar opposite to that thinking and nobody knows what Labour will campaign and support so it was always going to happen.Labours only hope from here is a hung parliament and the Tory's unable to form alliances to govern allowing Labour to get into bed with Sturgeon by offering her a independence vote..

[DonnyOsmond]

Trump's two lap dogs working together.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Farage has no other interest other than Brexit.He wants it done so he can step away from Political life with his lifetime work achieved.
 

You ever stop to wonder why this is Farage's interest?

[wing commander]

  I get your point Billy but that's not going to have much sway on the Election from here on in.I've just spent a hour reading Social Media especially the Labour official pages and what's become obvious by the Labour voters comments  is that even they don't think they can win this election.They are all calling for Labour to join forces with Lib dems and not to stand against each other in tactical seats forming a remain alliance..Labours problem of course is they are not prepared to say wether they would campaign for Leave or remain...Do you think the time has come to back a horse one way or another????

[Donnywolf]

I reckon they should back a horse NOW and say unequivocally WHAT it is

If they decide they want to Remain they should then convince Lib Dems (with the SNP already on board) to join a similar "pact" as Tories and Farage have just undertaken
Decide which candidates are standing where and hopefully despite Farages skullduggery they will have a Remain alliance and hopefully (for them) it will be enough to be the leading Coalition
They would have to agree beforehand that they would have a 2nd Ref or a Revoke of A50 which would be challenging AND that once they have done what they have to The Green Party (at a time already chosen) would call for a Vote of no confidence in whoever they need to and trigger another GE as I am sure Swinson wont want to support Corbyn for a second longer than she has to
Country before anything else Swinson ? You know what the priority IS

[bpoolrover]

  I get your point Billy but that's not going to have much sway on the Election from here on in.I've just spent a hour reading Social Media especially the Labour official pages and what's become obvious by the Labour voters comments  is that even they don't think they can win this election.They are all calling for Labour to join forces with Lib dems and not to stand against each other in tactical seats forming a remain alliance..Labours problem of course is they are not prepared to say wether they would campaign for Leave or remain...Do you think the time has come to back a horse one way or another????

the problem with deciding who to back means they might as well say goodbye to the north of England,they should have decided along time ago rather than wait to see what the best option was

[Ldr]

Labours Brexit policy is pretty much Prince Akeem's arranged bride in Coming to America

[BillyStubbsTears]

  I get your point Billy but that's not going to have much sway on the Election from here on in.I've just spent a hour reading Social Media especially the Labour official pages and what's become obvious by the Labour voters comments  is that even they don't think they can win this election.They are all calling for Labour to join forces with Lib dems and not to stand against each other in tactical seats forming a remain alliance..Labours problem of course is they are not prepared to say wether they would campaign for Leave or remain...Do you think the time has come to back a horse one way or another????

WingCo.

I've said for a long, long time that Labour should have come off the fence on this. The fact that they haven't is going to go down as one of the great political miscalculations of recent times.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Fundamentally wrong Bpool.

People are putting together two facts:

1) Labour holds most seats in the North
2) Most seats in the North voted Leave.

And drawing the conclusion that most Labour voters in the North are Leave supporting.

That is badly wrong, as numerous detailed polls have established. The great majority of Labour voters, even in Leave-voting seats, voted Remain. Labour's massive problem now is that it has f**ked off so many hundreds of thousands (millions even) of those voters.

[albie]

The expected swerve from Farage will advantage the Tories in Con/LD marginals in the SW.

It will also mean that remain supporters need to vote Labour UNLESS the LD's are locally a close second last time. There are only 2 or 3 seats where Labour are under threat from the LD.

Farage will continue to place candidates (at the moment) against Johnson in Leave voting seats, creaming off some potential voters.

I don't buy the big boost to Johnson story. It won't help in Scotland, and as written it is no gamechanger in the north.

Labour no longer has the "massive problem" BST believes. It is getting smaller every day, and is weighed against the locality and age distribution impacts.

[Ldr]

Labour no longer has the "massive problem" BST believes. It is getting smaller every day, and is weighed against the locality and age distribution impacts.

Has Corbyn been replaced?

[wing commander]

   That's a interesting take on the situation.Why would leave supporters currently vote for Labour,they don't know how Labour will campaign???

[BillyStubbsTears]

Brill Albie.

All you've got to do now is convince those 3-4 million people who were supporting Labour a year ago, and who are now supporting the LDs and Greens.