Has the royal family finally passed their use by date?

[SydneyRover]

Not one to repeat myself unless it's really necessary but you described the Queen as lame. You're just a disrespectful know-all lefty who can't answer a question unless you find one in the Guardian.

Now, show me the recent racist comments that upset you.

didn't I ask you first to point out any hate in my comment?

I'll take your no-show as you can't to my question bb

As for which racist remarks upset me, all racist remarks upset me, I fail to see why a perfectly reasonable far right wing person such as yourself would try to defend them bb 

[Bentley Bullet]

Post 39 was my answer to your hate-filled post.

[SydneyRover]

Post 39 was my answer to your hate-filled post.

so still a no then? hasn't anyone advised you not to drink and post 


By the way I'm quite OK for the mods to examine my posts and admonish me, if they are not already bored enough with your endless circular arguments on this forum bb 

added:

by the way bb I've been back through all my posts from no1 and stand by all I've written, whereas your posts and accusations get wilder as the evening turns into morning, funny that 

[SydneyRover]

‘’Get yourself a lawyer, son, you're gonna need a good one to get you outta this one’’

Unless of course you reach for the immunity stick.

Transcript:

Maitlis: That was December of 2010.
Andrew: Yep.
Maitlis: He threw a party to celebrate his release and you were invited as the guest of honour.

Andrew: No, I didn’t go. Oh, in 2010, there certainly wasn’t a party to celebrate his release in December because it was a small dinner party, there were only eight or 10 of us I think at the dinner. If there was a party then I’d know nothing about that.

Maitlis: You were invited to that dinner as a guest of honour.
Andrew: Well, I was there so there was a dinner, I don’t think it was quite as you might put it but yeah, OK I was there for … I was there at a dinner, yeah.
Maitlis: I’m just trying to work this out because you said you went to break up the relationship and yet you stayed at that New York mansion several days. I’m wondering how long?

Andrew: But I was doing a number of other things while I was there.
Maitlis: But you were staying at the house …
Andrew: Yes.
Maitlis: … of a convicted sex offender.

Andrew: It was a convenient place to stay. I mean I’ve gone through this in my mind so many times. At the end of the day, with a benefit of all the hindsight that one can have, it was definitely the wrong thing to do. But at the time I felt it was the honourable and right thing to do and I admit fully that my judgment was probably coloured by my tendency to be too honourable but that’s just the way it is.

Maitlis: Because during that time, those few days, witnesses say they saw many young girls coming and going at the time. There is video footage of Epstein accompanied by young girls and you were there staying in his house, catching up with friends.

Andrew: I never … I mean if there were then I wasn’t a party to any of that. I never saw them. I mean you have to understand that his house, I described it more as almost as a railway station if you know what I mean in the sense that there were people coming in and out of that house all the time. What they were doing and why they were there I had nothing to do with.

‘too honourable’ – I’m convinced 😊

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/nov/16/transcript-prince-andrew-on-the-epstein-scandal

SydneyRover wishes to say that there is no intention to malingn Prince Andrew Albert Christian Edward, Duke of York, KG, GCVO, CD, ADC(P)  or accuse him of wrong doing nor put him on the spot, he appears to have achieved that all on his own 

[Bentley Bullet]

That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.

[SydneyRover]

That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.

Still haven't addressed any of the questions?

Hair of the dog required bb 

[Bentley Bullet]

When you've had it get back to me.

[SydneyRover]

That's right Sydney, get back to what you do best, spending your life on here quoting The Guardian. At least it makes you come across as more intelligent, much as one-sided it is.

I suppose it's better than making it up and getting ratty when people question your logic-morning after pill 

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, yes it is, and I'm pleased for you if you've moved on from that.

[SydneyRover]

So we've found a few things out recently, you don't like independently funded factual newspapers- intelligence-people having opinions about your royal family and that you'll overlook racism and other flaws to support them, not possibly 'I support the royal family but don't condone Phil's racism? 

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't read papers, but if I did I'd prefer independent ones that aren't one-sided. Now, if the Guardian isn't one-sided you do it a disservice by only quoting your own one-sided views from it.

And no, I don't condone racism, but by quoting Prince Philip's comments from a time when it was commonplace to say such things just means you are digging up the past in your search to add fuel to your agenda, and in doing so annoying level headed people like me who have moved on.

[SydneyRover]

Maybe in your infinite wisdom you can tell us when racism was ok so I know which of Phil's remarks to beat you with 

[Bentley Bullet]

See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.

[SydneyRover]

See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.

Have you ever in your life answer a direct question or had a sensible conversation? 

[Bentley Bullet]

Yes and No. I answer all questions but I've never had a sensible conversation with you.

[SydneyRover]

I rest my case, by the way Phil last made an racist remark that I know of in 2013 of course he has made offensive remarks to people all though his public life-a bit like Johnson really 

[Donnywolf]

See what I mean? You spend your life reading one-side of the Guardian and never look out of the window. Racism was never OK. However, it was far more accepted 30 or 40 years ago. So much more accepted, in fact, that it wasn't even generally classed as racism at the time.

Jeez - I have to agree. Racism was so rampant it was normal

Rovers fans always handed it out at Bradford (City). I watched as part of the gang as they went knocking on doors around Valley Parade to see if they could find a person of colour* behind any doors

* these days I dont know if even that is acceptable but what DO you put ?

Rovers had a song** that they reserved for Bradford City - and I am embarrassed to say I used to sing it with gusto. It seemed funny at the time but I realise now it was offensive but as BB points out that behaviour seemed normal - just like telling Irish jokes now I suppose
** It was set to the tune of White Christmas and I will say no more than that.

We also took our lead as a society from telly progs like Love thy Neighbour. Bloody hell how normal was racism if minstream Telly could play that each week with no (seeming) compunction.

So I am with BB here - it was probably wrong / definitely wrong - but seemd extremely normal
 

[SydneyRover]

2013?

[Bentley Bullet]

Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!

[IDM]

I'll tell you what, then. You keep your opinions to yourself and I'll do the same.

I'll tell you what, you keep dribbling out your opinions and I'll stick to the facts as much as possible

A knucklehead is someone that doesn't learn from past mistakes, you'd know a lot about that I guess bb 

The priceless racism of the Duke of Edinburgh

Prince Philip has done the world an extraordinary service by exposing the racist hypocrisy of "Western civilisation".

https://www.aljazeera.com/indepth/opinion/2017/08/priceless-racism-duke-edinburgh-170810082226234.html

25 things Prince Philip said that will make you full-body cringe

https://mashable.com/2017/05/04/prince-philip-gaffes-list/

Items 7, 8, 11, 12, 13, 15, 19 are definitely racist and would have been considered racist at the time of being said.  17, 20, 21 borderline racist but otherwise playing on stereotypes.

Most if not all the others just downright offensive and insensitive.

I get that the royal family is distant from “ordinary people” and some more than others, some will think that something is wrong when their immediate environment doesn’t smell of fresh paint.!

But that doesn’t excuse the extremes of Prince Phillip’s views.. they have advisors don’t they.?

[SydneyRover]

So with yours bb & DW's generous bandwidth of 30-40 (from 1989) years ago then we've finally arrive at you agreeing that Phil's objectionable remarks since were racist, well done bb for being so evasive just to support your enrequited love of the royals 

[Bentley Bullet]

Of course, 30 to 40 years ago was a rough estimate because racism, as we know it today, didn't become unacceptable overnight. It was a gradual process.

Now, what racist thing did Prince Philip say in 2013? I can't find anything.

[Donnywolf]

Thanks DW for putting your neck on the line and risking Sydney accusing you of being racist. I'm sure if he had his way all of us who watched Love Thy Neighbour would be locked up!

He might suggest that but in truth I am not and never have been a "racist". I told Irish jokes - even the Irish still do I think re Kilkenny men which follow the same premise

I used to sing that Bradford song but would not do now - because they were different not because I disliked them

At the moment my nephews and nieces have followed the trend of partnering up with / or marrying into multicultural families and my immediate family is much richer for that

[SydneyRover]

You don't have to explain yourself DW it's just bb trying to twist the conversation from the topic rather than admit the truth

[drfchound]

I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.

[Bentley Bullet]

No, Sydney, I'm not trying to twist the conversation, neither am I refusing to admit the truth. The truth is you have started a thread describing your complete lack of respect for the Royal family to provoke an argument.

[Donnywolf]

I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.

Dead on Hound - much as it embarrasses me to think of my part in what was seen as routing "humour" - both on the Terraces and on TV

[drfchound]

I think it was more a case of DW endorsing the view of BB that racist comments were acceptable enough to be utilised on TV back in the 80’s and in everyday life.

Dead on Hound - much as it embarrasses me to think of my part in what was seen as routing "humour" - both on the Terraces and on TV

I remember the, shall we say, “white Christmas” sing that you mentioned DW.
I also remember playing in a game when two friends were on opposite sides, one white Englishman and the other an Indian bloke.
I knew them both.
During the game the English lad called the Indian lad a Sambo in jest.
It was loud enough for everyone to hear.
It was accepted by everyone as normal banter .......... because back then, it was.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The problem is that that banter, even if not meant nastily, separates people into us and them.

And there's a direct, albeit unintended line from that to the sort of attitudes that leads to this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1196055822775783424

[SydneyRover]

No, Sydney, I'm not trying to twist the conversation, neither am I refusing to admit the truth. The truth is you have started a thread describing your complete lack of respect for the Royal family to provoke an argument.

Then if you 'knew' that why have we got 3 pages of yiu making an absolute dick of yourself?