Bravery

[BillyStubbsTears]

Bpool.

It's the BBC at fault here. It's bad enough that he goes on TV in response to what is, in all honesty, a small event and can look authoritative and prime ministerial. That is simply not acceptable in a General Election campaign.

If Johnson turns this interview into an opportunity to electioneer, that would be just disgraceful.

[drfchound]

........as it would if one of the other leaders did the same.

[BillyStubbsTears]

But no other leader has been invited onto the BBC "in the national interest" so why on earth are you saying that Hound?

[bpoolrover]

In my opinion he should be invited on in any other country he would go on, but he should only be able to talk about security things

[drfchound]

But no other leader has been invited onto the BBC "in the national interest" so why on earth are you saying that Hound?

I am saying that it would be a disgrace if any other leader  were to turn this event into electioneering at all, never mind if they were invited onto the bbc.

[River Don]

I just wonder if people so indoctrinated can ever be reformed and trusted?

When it comes to something so fundamental based in religious belief.

[wilts rover]

Like why he hasn't released the report on alleged interference by Russia in British politics - and the clear security implications - do you mean?

Or maybe why his government has still not released the report on foreign funding of UK extremists that came out when he was Foreign Secretary but was then blocked by Theresa May - and now him?

[bobbymax]

Johnson and Patel have already been on TV trying to blame Labour for the release of the London Bridge whackjob.
It;s an outright lie as exposed by the CPS and parole board. Doubly shameful is the fact they are trying to make political gain out of a tragedy that has cost lives. The scumbags have no morals whatsoever!

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'll bet a pound to a pinch of shite that Johnson tries that line on Marr tomorrow. Blaming (wrongly) the legislation that Labour passed in 2008 for why this terrorist was released.

[wilts rover]

There is a good blog by The Secret Barrister that exposes the lies for errr lies and the facts for err facts. Hopefully people who are interested in the actual truth will read it

https://thesecretbarrister.com/2019/11/30/10-thing-you-should-know-about-the-london-bridge-attacker-and-early-release/

[River Don]

One thing we could do is ensure all schools are not religious and that they promote secular ideologies based in fairness.

If parents feel strongly about religion then fine, do it it in your own time, don't expect it to be reinforced at school.

[DonnyOsmond]

In my opinion he should be invited on in any other country he would go on, but he should only be able to talk about security things

Might watch it and use it as a drinking game. Have a shot everytime Boris says "Get Brexit Done".

[bpoolrover]

Thats your choice donny no party should use a tradedy to score points but unfortunately they will

[Sandy Lane]

Back to the topic, but I also was in absolute awe of the people who selflessly stopped the terrorist on London Bridge.  They are truly heros to assist the police, but also to go after him before they even arrived.  I remember I was in London a couple of years ago during the attack at Westminster when a fella attacked a policeman and they shut down the tubes and some roads.  It’s very scary cause you don’t know where to go, so we went to a pub to calm down and wait it out.

[scawsby steve]

One thing we could do is ensure all schools are not religious and that they promote secular ideologies based in fairness.

If parents feel strongly about religion then fine, do it it in your own time, don't expect it to be reinforced at school.

So you think all religion should be banned from schools because of the actions of a minority of nutters?

That post sounds more about your personal dislike of religion than anything else.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Back to the topic, but I also was in absolute awe of the people who selflessly stopped the terrorist on London Bridge.  They are truly heros to assist the police, but also to go after him before they even arrived.  I remember I was in London a couple of years ago during the attack at Westminster when a fella attacked a policeman and they shut down the tubes and some roads.  It’s very scary cause you don’t know where to go, so we went to a pub to calm down and wait it out.

I agree on this. Its difficult though when you see one is a convicted murderer also, if the attacker shouldn't have been out should the other guy? A very, very complex issue.

[Sandy Lane]

Back to the topic, but I also was in absolute awe of the people who selflessly stopped the terrorist on London Bridge.  They are truly heros to assist the police, but also to go after him before they even arrived.  I remember I was in London a couple of years ago during the attack at Westminster when a fella attacked a policeman and they shut down the tubes and some roads.  It’s very scary cause you don’t know where to go, so we went to a pub to calm down and wait it out.

I agree on this. Its difficult though when you see one is a convicted murderer also, if the attacker shouldn't have been out should the other guy? A very, very complex issue.

Yes agree this is very complex and thanks for putting me back on track.  However, before I realized he was a convicted murderer I just recognized him as someone who endangered his own life to help others. Obviously he is still paying his debt to society and maybe we are getting caught up in the brutality of his crime rather than looking at the fact he has been in jail and is continuing to serve his sentence and earned the right to attend the conference, so obviously his rehab is working.

As for the terrorist, he must be a good liar or maybe he was re-radicalized at some point and saw this as a great opportunity to be a martyr.  Makes a good case for going into communities and working with community leaders to educate people and help immigrants integrate and transition into a society they feel a part of. Although ironically I believe the conference was perhaps one of those programs?

I certainly am not as knowledgeable of your penal system as you folks are, so apologies if my information is incomplete.

[BobG]

There's a very marked change in the approach to this election by the BBC to that they employed previously. I do wonder if this change has anything to do with the cuts to BBC budgets enforced over the last 2 or 3 years and the subliminal messages that accompanied them? 

There's only one news bulletin worth watching these days: Channel 4.

Cheers

BobG

[BillyStubbsTears]

Posted without comment.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2019/dec/02/jack-merritt-london-bridge-attack-dave-merritt

[BillyStubbsTears]

In the meantime, I think we all agreed it would be utterly disgusting if Johnson used that Marr interview on Sunday to electioneer.

Turns out he didn't just electioneer. He spun 5 blatant lies.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/m.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/andrew-marr-boris-johnson-london-bridge-nhs-brexit_uk_5de3b93ee4b0913e6f8059ed/

Thoughts?

[SydneyRover]

Jack Merritt certainly wasn't a brexiter then?

[Not Now Kato]

One thing we could do is ensure all schools are not religious and that they promote secular ideologies based in fairness.

If parents feel strongly about religion then fine, do it it in your own time, don't expect it to be reinforced at school.

So you think all religion should be banned from schools because of the actions of a minority of nutters?

That post sounds more about your personal dislike of religion than anything else.

There are some 4,200 religions in the world 
 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_religions_and_spiritual_traditions
 
Which ones do you think should be taught?  And what would make them more 'viable' than any of the others?
 

[SydneyRover]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

[Not Now Kato]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people. 

[scawsby steve]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

[Not Now Kato]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

What the Donald Duck are you on about SS?  So, three scientists say what exactly?  And with what proof?
 
Meanwhile, what about the other 2699 supposed 'Gods'?
 
I suppose you believe in the Tooth Fairy too!

[scawsby steve]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

What the Donald Duck are you on about SS?  So, three scientists say what exactly?  And with what proof?
 
Meanwhile, what about the other 2699 supposed 'Gods'?
 
I suppose you believe in the Tooth Fairy too!

What do you believe in? When it comes to referendums and elections you're always on the losing side. It's always those in the minority that shout the loudest.

[Filo]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

What the Donald Duck are you on about SS?  So, three scientists say what exactly?  And with what proof?
 
Meanwhile, what about the other 2699 supposed 'Gods'?
 
I suppose you believe in the Tooth Fairy too!

I do, I always got a sixpence under my pillow 😂

[Not Now Kato]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

What the Donald Duck are you on about SS?  So, three scientists say what exactly?  And with what proof?
 
Meanwhile, what about the other 2699 supposed 'Gods'?
 
I suppose you believe in the Tooth Fairy too!

What do you believe in? When it comes to referendums and elections you're always on the losing side. It's always those in the minority that shout the loudest.

So, no answers then SS.  Typical, spout nonsense then fail to answer when questioned.
 
As to what I believe in, one universe of which our one world is but a tiny part, (and us, as individuals, an infinite dot on an infinite dot, infinitely small).  But we are still learning about both, the knowledge of which is significantly better than believing in myths and magic; and will lead in time to a better understanding and a better way of life.  Meanwhile, we are all here for a short while, then we'll vanish and fade, and the memory of it all will be gone; best make the most of it while we can without harming others by our thoughts and deeds; and hope that what we pass on will lead to better things for the world and for future generations.

[scawsby steve]

That's a lot of god's Kato 

And every one of them a Sky Fairy, invented by man to control and manipulate people.

Strange then, that 3 of the greatest scientists ever, Newton, Darwin, and Einstein, didn't share your views.

You've been reading too much Karl Marx. I think you'd be better off reading Groucho Marx.

What the Donald Duck are you on about SS?  So, three scientists say what exactly?  And with what proof?
 
Meanwhile, what about the other 2699 supposed 'Gods'?
 
I suppose you believe in the Tooth Fairy too!

What do you believe in? When it comes to referendums and elections you're always on the losing side. It's always those in the minority that shout the loudest.

So, no answers then SS.  Typical, spout nonsense then fail to answer when questioned.
 
As to what I believe in, one universe of which our one world is but a tiny part, (and us, as individuals, an infinite dot on an infinite dot, infinitely small).  But we are still learning about both, the knowledge of which is significantly better than believing in myths and magic; and will lead in time to a better understanding and a better way of life.  Meanwhile, we are all here for a short while, then we'll vanish and fade, and the memory of it all will be gone; best make the most of it while we can without harming others by our thoughts and deeds; and hope that what we pass on will lead to better things for the world and for future generations.

I don't spout nonsense about anything. Your trouble is that you're not in touch with your own soul. Plus you like to shout off your minority opinions about everything.

I'm now starting to look forward to the 12th. I wasn't that bothered about it, but now I am if it shuts up the traps of people like you.