Crystal Ball

[Bentley Bullet]

Well, here you have it......

[IDM]

Well know next Friday if you are correct BB..

What that does also show is that due to our electoral system we can have a government and PM which never has an outright majority of the popular vote..  that’s the same for all parties too.

40% for either the Tories or labour would, you would expect, give a majority of parliamentary seats.  Even if 60% of voters didn’t want them..

Is it time to change the system to PR.?

[tommy toes]

Democracy eh.
Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people. (Well 52% of them) and yet nobody seems concerned that ANY government can rule unapposd with less of a mandate.

[scawsby steve]

Democracy eh.
Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people. (Well 52% of them) and yet nobody seems concerned that ANY government can rule unapposd with less of a mandate.

I think you're wrong about nobody seeming to be concerned Tommy. Just about everyone I know, and most people on here, would welcome PR.

I think it was 2015 when UKIP got more than 4 million votes for no seats, while the SNP got just over 1 million votes for 50 odd seats.

That's democracy at it's worst.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Couldn't agree more SS.

It's appalling that 4m people could vote for a party and not get a single MP. Equally, it's appalling that (as frequently happens in this country) 41-2% can vote for a party that then gets untrammelled power.

[Campsall rover]

Couldn't agree more SS.

It's appalling that 4m people could vote for a party and not get a single MP. Equally, it's appalling that (as frequently happens in this country) 41-2% can vote for a party that then gets untrammelled power.

You would be Happy with hard right party’s getting dozens of seats in Parliament then?
That’s what would happen under PR.

No thank you.
The present system is not perfect by a long way but what is.

Anybody remember Nazi Germany in the 1930’s   

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes of course I would accept that if that many people voted for them. That's how democracy works.

[drfchound]

Democracy eh.
Brexiteers constantly bang on about the will of the people. (Well 52% of them) and yet nobody seems concerned that ANY government can rule unapposd with less of a mandate.

Slight correction mate, it was 52% of the people who could be bothered to vote.

[BigH]

Or, put another way, 37% of the electorate (as only 72% of the electorate could be bothered to vote).

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well, here you have it......

Here's my two pennorth.

If the Tories are on 40% and the LDs on 9%, Labour will be a lot higher than 34% and we are into hung Parliament territory.

[Donnywolf]

.... with our "anachronistic" Voting system that 40% could provide a Majority in HOC or very little.

Hopefully a hung Parliament

[IDM]

Couldn't agree more SS.

It's appalling that 4m people could vote for a party and not get a single MP. Equally, it's appalling that (as frequently happens in this country) 41-2% can vote for a party that then gets untrammelled power.

You would be Happy with hard right party’s getting dozens of seats in Parliament then?
That’s what would happen under PR.

No thank you.
The present system is not perfect by a long way but what is.

Anybody remember Nazi Germany in the 1930’s   

If I remember the history programmes correctly, the Nazi party held the biggest number of seats but were not in majority.  Somehow, they managed to get a law passed which gave them absolute authority on lawmaking, and the rest is history.!

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's precisely what happened IDM.

Less well known is WHY the country turned to him.

Germany's response to the Great Crash of 1929-31 was a huge Austerity programme. The economy tanked. Poverty became widespread. And the people turned to a narcissistic populist who told them that it was all the fault of the bas**rd foreigners.

That happened quickly. We've had a mild slow motion version of it throughout the 2010s.

[The Red Baron]

TBH, I find this more interesting than the Polls, although like all betting markets, it is driven by weight of money.

https://www.sportingindex.com/spread-betting/politics/british/group_b.6b9db4dc-d1df-4c9d-b9ab-c9a136a91f1e/uk-general-election-seats-markets/?tpid=8909&btag=a_941&siteid=941&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=marketspecific

At the moment, it's giving the Tories a majority of 30+ (the spread was about three seats higher earlier today).  I have to say I'd probably be selling because I think the majority will be smaller than that.

[Axholme Lion]

That's precisely what happened IDM.

Less well known is WHY the country turned to him.

Germany's response to the Great Crash of 1929-31 was a huge Austerity programme. The economy tanked. Poverty became widespread. And the people turned to a narcissistic populist who told them that it was all the fault of the bas**rd foreigners.

That happened quickly. We've had a mild slow motion version of it throughout the 2010s.

Also the Allies screwed over the Germans after WW1 with massive reparations to teach them a lesson.
What should have been done after both WW1/WW2 was to leave Germany as subsistence economy with no industry as such but growing enough food to survive on.