Minimum wage

[Axholme Lion]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Apply that acxross retail, what happens to the prices you pay?  It's the consumer who pays it, your options are fairly limited.

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business.  That's got sod all to do with the consumer paying.  If a business can't afford to pay £10 per hour then the business model is a failure and the owners shouldn't be in business.  It's stupid to suggest that owners/shareholders should benefit from low wages!  Owners/share holders should be out of business and get nothing if their business model can't support a £10 minimum wage.

Are you on drugs? Where can I get one of these mythical jobs?

Seems it's you that must be on drugs.  What mythical jobs are you referring to?

The ones paying a basic of a tenner an hour.

[GazLaz]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Apply that acxross retail, what happens to the prices you pay?  It's the consumer who pays it, your options are fairly limited.

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business.  That's got sod all to do with the consumer paying.  If a business can't afford to pay £10 per hour then the business model is a failure and the owners shouldn't be in business.  It's stupid to suggest that owners/shareholders should benefit from low wages!  Owners/share holders should be out of business and get nothing if their business model can't support a £10 minimum wage.

Are you on drugs? Where can I get one of these mythical jobs?

Seems it's you that must be on drugs.  What mythical jobs are you referring to?

The ones paying a basic of a tenner an hour.

£10/hr is about two thirds of the average wage. That shows there are plenty of them out there!!

[Not Now Kato]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Apply that acxross retail, what happens to the prices you pay?  It's the consumer who pays it, your options are fairly limited.

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business.  That's got sod all to do with the consumer paying.  If a business can't afford to pay £10 per hour then the business model is a failure and the owners shouldn't be in business.  It's stupid to suggest that owners/shareholders should benefit from low wages!  Owners/share holders should be out of business and get nothing if their business model can't support a £10 minimum wage.

Are you on drugs? Where can I get one of these mythical jobs?

Seems it's you that must be on drugs.  What mythical jobs are you referring to?

The ones paying a basic of a tenner an hour.

Keep up AL, the point was that the minimum wage SHOULD be £10 an hour, and if a company couldn't afford to pay that then they have a very poor business model!
 
Oh, and there are loads of jobs paying £10 an hour and more.

[Axholme Lion]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Apply that acxross retail, what happens to the prices you pay?  It's the consumer who pays it, your options are fairly limited.

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business.  That's got sod all to do with the consumer paying.  If a business can't afford to pay £10 per hour then the business model is a failure and the owners shouldn't be in business.  It's stupid to suggest that owners/shareholders should benefit from low wages!  Owners/share holders should be out of business and get nothing if their business model can't support a £10 minimum wage.

Are you on drugs? Where can I get one of these mythical jobs?

Seems it's you that must be on drugs.  What mythical jobs are you referring to?

The ones paying a basic of a tenner an hour.

£10/hr is about two thirds of the average wage. That shows there are plenty of them out there!!

It doesn't take too many people earning mega bucks to pump up the average.

[i_ateallthepies]

It's about redistributing the wealth, that was stated right at the top of this thread.  Doesn't need to cost the business any more at all, pay those at the bottom a bit more and those at the top a bit less.  Or don't you like that concept BFYP?

[Sprotyrover]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Surprised at you saying that, where is your evidence for your remark?

[Not Now Kato]

£10 an hour would cripple most small and some large company's and the only thing that will happen is it will push up daily living expenses , in reality people will not be better off and it will put up unemployment and unskilled workers will struggle to find work if you have to pay £10 per hour

If a company can't afford to pay £10 per hour then they have no right to be in business!

Surprised at you saying that, where is your evidence for your remark?

See the post immediately above yours Sproty.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It's about redistributing the wealth, that was stated right at the top of this thread.  Doesn't need to cost the business any more at all, pay those at the bottom a bit more and those at the top a bit less.  Or don't you like that concept BFYP?

Your problem there is those who make the choice arent going to do that never ever.

That and the knock on effects, much of that profit comes back to our pension funds, it amazes me how little people know of that. Even the church of england would lose out if shareholder profits drop.

Granted on a pure basis the richest will always get the most, but they will also find ways around that, unless they are taxed and even then, they'll just move.  Theres far better places to live than the uk so we have to try to keep some of that contribution.  If it wasnt for family (and football) I'd be gone tomorrow.

I'm going off topic there though, the point is what will the minimum wage do and what will the reaction be. You do not like the answer but that is it...

[SydneyRover]

If you're are not on an hourly rate and your wages are not linked to minimum pay, any rises you get don't affect consumer prices, apparently 

Well my salary wouldn't given that my salary is entirely not connected to any consumer process at all and that there's one of me doing the job in the company, a small change in my salary is so insignificant it doesn't register, 10% for a range of others is huge.  What you are demonstrating is a clear lack of knowledge as to how these things work and trying to inform someone who actually does this kind of stuff for a living that they don't do it, bizarre.

I was having a dig at you because the attitude that 'my' wages which of course must include all the other 'my's' across the country don't affect anything just those on lower pay therefore ot's them that shouldn't get a pay rise. bfyp

It smacks of ''we we need to keep the 'worker's' pay low so they have an incentive to work' and the 'bosses' wages high so'we have an incentive to work?????

I think you have had an empathy bypass. 

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

You are very very wrong.  My points are nothing to do with my situation, nor do I set my own salary, that is not my place.

But it absolutely is my job to make decisions that are most financially beneficial to the business I work for. You dont like the answer but it is a fact. It also isnt just that, contractors and suppliers will pass on that cost also, as in the end would anyone who can competitively do so.

[SydneyRover]

Even though your wage is not connected to the consumer process it still matters in the cost of goods as the consumer index is supposed to be a reflection of how wages and prices are across the country so that part of your argument is incorrect.

so this is not happening???

''Shareholder payouts have risen 6.4 times faster than wages – TUC''

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/14/shareholder-payouts-wages-tuc

[SydneyRover]

It's about redistributing the wealth, that was stated right at the top of this thread.  Doesn't need to cost the business any more at all, pay those at the bottom a bit more and those at the top a bit less.  Or don't you like that concept BFYP?

Your problem there is those who make the choice arent going to do that never ever.

That and the knock on effects, much of that profit comes back to our pension funds, it amazes me how little people know of that. Even the church of england would lose out if shareholder profits drop.

Granted on a pure basis the richest will always get the most, but they will also find ways around that, unless they are taxed and even then, they'll just move.  Theres far better places to live than the uk so we have to try to keep some of that contribution.  If it wasnt for family (and football) I'd be gone tomorrow.

I'm going off topic there though, the point is what will the minimum wage do and what will the reaction be. You do not like the answer but that is it...

This says it all bfyp, never give those on minimum wage a pay rise, no ????

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

It says what? I would argue raises that are of a smaller percentage make sense, based upon lots of things. I would also prefer a bonus structure that is standard accross a workforce but understand why that doesnt happen often.

At some point you have to give don't you? There is like it or not a reason the highest paid are the highest paid and there always will be. I'd love to be in that bracket but I dont fulfil those reasons, it's just how it is.

[SydneyRover]

'Shareholder payouts have risen 6.4 times faster than wages – TUC''

https://www.theguardian.com/money/2019/nov/14/shareholder-payouts-wages-tuc


posted it again as you appear to have ignored it bfyp.

In most of your posts your saying minimum wages can't rise because od scary things happening and don't tax rich people because they'll leave, so I think my assumtions are quite reasonable that you're happy to maintain the status quo? Where those already wealthy get richer to the cost of the rest.

Yes there is a reason why the highest paid are the highest paid.

 Privately educated elite continues to take top jobs, finds survey

Privately schooled people still dominate law, politics, medicine and journalism despite signs of progress, says Sutton Trust

Privately schooled people still dominate law, politics, medicine and journalism despite signs of progress, says Sutton Trust

https://www.theguardian.com/education/2016/feb/24/privately-educated-elite-continues-to-take-top-jobs-finds-survey

Added

And this is another reason, although an Australian story it's typical of most countries

ATO data reveals one third of large companies pay no tax

https://www.abc.net.au/news/2019-12-12/ato-corporate-tax-transparency-data-companies-no-tax-paid/11789048

I'm not saying everyone should have equal wealth/income I'm like most on the left we just want a fairer society.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I think you struggle to differentiate between my wish and the reality of life - the reality is this is not going to change.

It would be interesting on the top jobs point to know what you define as a top job...

As for large companies paying tax, I could be here for some time discussing that.  There are significant issues with the taxation of certain large companies that quite frankly need to be resolved (I think most of it is actually quite similar in the manifestos on that one, yes even the tories propose a digital tax which is warranted).

[SydneyRover]

No struggle on my part whatsoever bfyp, those before fought for the vote, better wages, the NHS, the welfare state and a myriad ot other things that are being put at risk now by the party you're voting for today.

cameron-may-johnson

In your own time tell me how they have improved britain by reducing taxes for the rich? the economy is trashed.

Selling off Royal Mail? economy trashed, etc

'The price of freedom is eternal vigilance'

[DonnyOsmond]

A few days old but the Conservatives have scrapped their plan to increase minimum wage. I guess they got what they needed from those people.

[bpoolrover]

For me there has to be a minimum wage but not for 16 year olds at 10 pound, people deserve to go to work and earn a amount that is worth working for saying that it will not help the people that need help the most

[bobjimwilly]

They set their own target of £9 per hour "national living wage" by 2020, which they've now missed and have changed it to £8.72, resulting in a £1,600 loss for the lowest paid workers who work full-time.

And the working class continue to vote for them...

[Draytonian III]

Who was the other option ? Working class ✅ Vote Labour ❎ Never again

[Not Now Kato]

The working class got the government they deserved.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Not so NNK.

The majority of the WORKING class (i.e. those working or looking for work or about to join the labour force) voted Labour.