Six first team players

[redarmy82]

From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.

Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.

[silent majority]

From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.

Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.

Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?

I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.


 

[Donnybax]

8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.

[bobbymax]

8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.

An early candidate for most ridiculous reply of the year?

[The Red Baron]

Just popped my head in and I see this place hasn't improved for the change of year. LOL!

[Donnybax]

8 months to donny is nothing. Takes us just about that long to appoint a manager and then double that amount of time to sign a loan striker. Whichever way you look at it or want to spin it it’s bleak.

An early candidate for most ridiculous reply of the year?

there was obviously a bit of sarcasm in there. But the situation is bleak. We keep letting players go with no replacements and are squad is thin enough as it is. It’s a worrying situation

[redarmy82]

From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.

Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.

Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?

I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.


 

I fail to see how it's irrelevant as we seem to be in a similar situation every summer.

Anyway, the question was, how many other league clubs will have a similar number of players in contract come the end of the season. It's a genuine question.

[lee.j09]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

[vaya]

From my calculations, that's how many first team players we will have contracted currently for next season.

Not to cover old ground as to how bad a situation this is, but I'd be interested as to how many other league clubs are in the same boat.

Do you think you could start another 2 or 3 negative posts about the club you're meant to support?

I mean, it's so relevant talking about next season and the mess we'll be in if we don't do something in such a short space of time, after all 8 months doesn't give us much time does it.


 

I fail to see how it's irrelevant as we seem to be in a similar situation every summer.

Anyway, the question was, how many other league clubs will have a similar number of players in contract come the end of the season. It's a genuine question.

How many is it then?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Look at the players though, it's the ones we have that are good enough. Probably only really Sadlier, Blair and one or two of the youngsters to get signed up really.

It's perfectly clear we will likely have a busy summer whatever happens this season. Darren may get 1 or two permanent this month but that'll be it until the summer.  Given last summer that's just how it is. I'd hope the club are thinking longer than short term, the loss of McCann was massive and has pretty much blown the whole recruitment piece.

[andyst79]

If we can get a good striker the spine of the teams solid and a good platform to build around

[redarmy82]

Look at the players though, it's the ones we have that are good enough. Probably only really Sadlier, Blair and one or two of the youngsters to get signed up really.

It's perfectly clear we will likely have a busy summer whatever happens this season. Darren may get 1 or two permanent this month but that'll be it until the summer.  Given last summer that's just how it is. I'd hope the club are thinking longer than short term, the loss of McCann was massive and has pretty much blown the whole recruitment piece.

Add Lawlor and Coppinger to that. Probably one or two others I've missed.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

[redarmy82]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

[vaya]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

[RoversAlias]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

Nice presumption, that.

There is nothing to say we wouldn't be able to sign Dieng or Sheaf permanently. It is unlikely with the two Wolves lads but again, it's not certain. I don't think we felt we had a great chance of keeping Sharp or Mills permanently when they first came, in fact many said it was out of the question. Yet we did.

As for our current contracted players, I'd say the majority of the first team squad that we already own are contracted for next season also. There's only Sadlier and Coppinger of the regular XI, and Copps never has a new contract this early in the season now he's knocking on the door of retirement. I don't think he'd sign one if we offered it either, as he usually keeps the decision over whether to continue his until closer to the summer. You'll find no argument from me that we need to get Sadlier signed up asap, but it's no disaster beyond him.

James, Anderson, Wright, Halliday, Whiteman and Taylor are all signed up for next year. That is a solid starting point to build on, which I'm sure we will.

If you really look at it, the list of players out of contract contain very few players who we should be desperate to keep. Aside from Sadlier and Coppinger, that list is as follows: Lawlor, Jones, Amos, Horton, Baptiste, Blaney, McLean, Greaves, Blair, Prior, Longbottom, Kiwomya, Watters, Gibbons, Boocock

How many of them would you really want to be contracted beyond this season? Taking out development prospects who won't be on much money away, you have Lawlor, Baptiste, Blair, Longbottom and Kiwomya. There would be an outcry on here if three of those had contracts running beyond this summer. Blair is 30+ now and been injured most of the season so stands to reason he is playing to earn a deal when he comes back, and Lawlor has failed to push on since arriving and has lost his place to two different keepers now.

So it's all well and good saying we need to have more players contracted long term, but that strategy caused us to throw money down the drain on players like Cedric Evina, Harry Middleton and Mitchell Lund not too long ago. When you look at it, the current squad is in need of an overhaul and when given a full summer to do just that I expect Darren Moore and the club to complete that overhaul. Until then we have to make the best of what we do have for this season, a season heavily compromised by the sudden departure of the previous manager straight after he released half our senior first team players.

[Jonathan]

Lawlor has another year anyway, and Gomes has been omitted from the list of those under contract for next season.

[BillyStubbsTears]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.

The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.

Did you lose the love of the club when we signed Herbie Kane? Would you if we sign Idah?

[Herbert Anchovy]

We could be playing like the Brazil 1970 team and there’d still be complaints that the chips sold at half time are shite.

I’m sure DM knows how many players we need to put out a team and to make up a squad. I really wouldn’t let it worry you.

[the vicar]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

No one has said anything about Bramhall, do you hate him that much to bring him up again

[keith79]

Its the way the club wants to run now.  Have a core spine then fill the rest with loans. I am sure I read it somewhere. Like Shrewsbury did the other year

[roversdude]

Tbh when you look at those already contracted I don’t see a problem. We now have someone in charge of recruitment so there will be players identified to come in either now or the summer (or more likely both)
I can’t see us not having loanees as that seems to be a model being adopted at our level.
We have a decent squad but the season has been so stop start that consistency is the problem

[IDM]

Jesus wept..

We are only a handful of days into the transfer window..

Beats me why some fans don’t get the idea that the club will be working on player contracts out of the public eye..

I would like to see the op calculations.. what’s wrong with giving new deals to our better prospect younger players..?

[Padge_DRFC]

If we got 9k home fans in every week the story would be different. Do we still operate at a loss and directors having to fund the difference?

[Jonathan]

It really is p*ss poor! Starting to lose the love for it personally! Gives us no identity.

Aye.

It destroyed me when we got Tony Woodcock on loan.

And Chris Brown.
And Matt Mills.
And Brian Stock.
And Billy Sharp.
And Herbie Kane.
And Malik Wilks.

Bloody shite Bramhall.

As usual, you miss the point. We signed a good number of those on a permanent deal. We won't be signing any of the current loanees, so, at the end of the season, they'll go back, and we are left in the same situation again. And again. And again.

We signed precisely ONE of those with the aim of turning it into a permanent deal.

The other two came about after the player concerned had gone back to his parent club.

Not strictly true.

- Stock was signed on loan with a permanent deal agreed
- Sharp was signed on loan after we had initially tried but failed to buy him. We then signed him at the end of his loan spell.
- Mills exactly as Sharp.

[Al4475]

I thought sharp was signed on loan when we failed to sign Kris Killen Jonathon?

Anyhow that's not really a question to do with the thread - apologies.

[Chris Black come back]

Wow. Dodged a bullet there!

[nortikorner]

Does not matter who we sign or loan  The Tactics have to be right playing from the back does not work for us

[elmsallrover]

Its the way the club wants to run now.  Have a core spine then fill the rest with loans. I am sure I read it somewhere. Like Shrewsbury did the other year

and look what happend to them the season after they got relegated

[DRNaith]

Refering to the OP, it's a situation, not sure it's a bad situation, given that we regularly hear complaints about the players we have. Surely people who are complaining about our players can see this as an opportunity.