Goodbye Britain

[foxbat]

Good Summary from the Irish Post   BY: Joe Horgan January 27, 2020

     
WELL goodbye then, England. And Wales. And Scotland. And Northern Ireland.

I hope life outside the EU is as wonderful as you seem to think it will be.

I have no idea what it is you’re doing and why you’re doing it. But, you know, good luck.

As far as we can tell from over here you kicked against austerity by voting to leave the EU and then became so obsessed with leaving you voted for those who’d dreamed up austerity in the first place.

In the meantime you gave an airing to a ragbag of English nationalists who strangely seemed to consist of a lot of people with a lot of Irishness.

Tommy Robinson. Anne Marie Waters. Morrissey.

And if you find your views chime with that shower, you’re in a very dark place indeed.

As you sit now in the glorious sunshine that only exists outside of the EU it is worth pointing out to you that Northern Ireland and Scotland actually voted to remain.

I have no idea what the Welsh were thinking, but the English, the one World Cup and two World Wars brigade, seemed so defeated as a nationality that they could only win by doing whatever they could do to spite everyone else.

Which is quite fitting because, from here at least, your post EU England seems like a very spiteful place.

Boris Johnson, your Prime Minister, is a proven liar.

Nigel Farage, despite presiding over a succession of failed political parties, gets so much coverage I started to believe it was not the size of his vote that mattered but the size of his ego.

The first member of your Royal Family not to be a white person has been driven away, which is nearly as embarrassing to watch as your insistence that her treatment has nothing to do with the colour of her skin.

Yeh? I know you’ve taken liars to your hearts, but don’t insult our intelligence.

If I write down Meghan Markle’s treatment in your country has been embarrassing I’ve never been as sure of the truth of anything I’ve ever written.

Again two people with a strong Irishness have made that clear.

Television presenters Eamonn Holmes and Piers Morgan.

When Eamonn Holmes declared of Markle, if I met you I don’t think I’d like you, I can’t have been the only one who repeated the sentence back to him.

As for Piers Morgan. Just why, England, are so many of your national figures in the year 2020 so alike and so easy to dislike?

Boris Johnson, Nigel Farage, Piers Morgan, Jeremy Clarkson.

They’re the kind of men who take to Twitter to vent their privileged rage.

It’s as if, England, you’ve made the internet troll your national symbol.

And yet I remember visiting London in the summer of 2012, for a very Irish evening, and thinking, the Olympics going on around us, that England had truly become a great, culturally rich, gloriously mixed, forward looking country.

It just felt so positive. I would not have believed, that sun drenched day, that in a few short years England would enter a new decade such a bitter, such a spiteful, looking place.

That it would vote to leave the EU for reasons that, at least partly, seemed to consist of the lies it was told about the EU by a Daily Telegraph journalist who then went on to become the Prime Minister.

It’s grotesque.

Like so many Irish people before me I was born outside of Ireland. It is one of the byproducts of immigration.

I was born in England. I grew up there. I studied and worked there. I lived and worked in the cities of England from the south through to the north, spent years in those cities.

I’m still proud to be from the city of Birmingham, right smack in the heart of the midlands.

I’m proud to have grown up in one of England’s great multi-cultural cities. I loved it and still do.

So while I’ve been back here in Ireland for over twenty one years, I’m not a disinterested observer.

Irish as I am, England is a part of me.

So it hurts, you see, to watch what England has become.

It hurts to say goodbye. I wish you all the best, I really do. Birmingham, London, Sheffield, Manchester, Coventry, Preston, Liverpool, all the places I lived and studied and worked and laughed and drank and was Irish in.

I raise my glass to you. And I hope you’ll come back.

[Ldr]

Reading that sanctimonious crap reinforces my belief that leaving is the correct thing

[DonnyOsmond]

Reading that sanctimonious crap reinforces my belief that leaving is the correct thing

Because that makes sense.

[Ldr]

I dont have the time or crayons to explain to you

[Sprotyrover]

That’s 5 minutes of my life I will ever get back

[Axholme Lion]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

[DonnyOsmond]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

[foxbat]

Only 3 days until we see an extra £350m a week being poured in to the NHS.

No more underfunding, record A&E waiting times, trollies in corridors or even kids on hospital floors.

In other news, I’ve got a bucket full of genuine unicorn shit available to the highest bidder.

[Axholme Lion]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

[tommy toes]

The first few paragraphs are spot on.
They are the reasons you voted to leave, leaving aside the large racism element.
Not interested in the Royalty stuff.

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

Is the terror they create different in some way to each other?

[Axholme Lion]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

Is the terror they create different in some way to each other?

But it was no-one's fault other than the barmpot who did it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

Is the terror they create different in some way to each other?

But it was no-one's fault other than the barmpot who did it.

Just an unfortunate coincidence that a mentally disturbed far-right person with an obsession about British nationalism and immigration decided to shoot a Labour MP on the day that Farage stood proudly in front of a poster showing hordes of immigrants, in a photograph deliberately taken to echo a poster used by Hitler in the 1930s.

These lone nutters eh?

[Not Now Kato]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

Is the terror they create different in some way to each other?

But it was no-one's fault other than the barmpot who did it.

Really?  So he thought it up all on his own?  He wasn't influenced in any way by the right wing anti immigrant propaganda put out by people like Farage at the time?  Yeh, right!

[Axholme Lion]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

[wilts rover]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

[selby]

 I like paddy hope Eire do well while they are in the EU, they may need to,  now they are going to have to tip more into the pot having had a good run at taking out for a few years.
  Seem to remember a loan from us got them out of the doo doo at one point, It wouldn't do to slip back to those days, I don't think France, Italy, and the rest will be propping anyone up but themselves for a while.

[Axholme Lion]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

For one thing being in the EU is not just a trade relationship, and I assume by your comments that you support the actions of the IRA?

[foxbat]

and ' we won the war , as well

[selby]

  I wonder if the EU  members want any  tarmacadam laid on their drives this summer, with luck it will be easier for Paddy to get to the continent this summer and spread there new sense of belonging to their new found best friends.

[foxbat]

Brilliant interjection by EU Vice-President Mairead McGuinness to Nigel Farage and his Brexit MEP,
         ‘Remove your little  flags and take them with you when you go’.

A polite Irish way of saying, F***k off you arrogant bunch of Little Englanders and good riddance!

😂

[Glyn_Wigley]

At least our independence was won through the ballot box and without resorting to terrorism!

Erm... Jo Cox?

That was a random nutter not an organised paramilitary force.

Is the terror they create different in some way to each other?

But it was no-one's fault other than the barmpot who did it.

And what difference does that make to the victims?

[wilts rover]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

For one thing being in the EU is not just a trade relationship, and I assume by your comments that you support the actions of the IRA?

I assume by your comments that you are unconcerned about a return to violence in NI.

I also assume by your comments that you have:
a) not read the opening post in this thread
b) have no idea that the Irish Post is a RoI newspaper
c) have little understanding of the Anglo-Irish conflict

[Sprotyrover]

Talking of conflict I have just been watching YouTube images of the disgusting clashes between the loveable French Police and their Firebrigade colleagues in Paris earlier this week, absolutely disgusting I am glad to be seeing the back of the scumbags!

[Muttley]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

For one thing being in the EU is not just a trade relationship, and I assume by your comments that you support the actions of the IRA?

And I presume you would support this from Farage...

"But if they don't deliver this Brexit that I spent 25 years of my life working for, then I will be forced to don khaki, pick up a rifle and head for the front lines."

[ravenrover]

Khaki and rifle not necessarily required, just go to the front line

[Not Now Kato]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

For one thing being in the EU is not just a trade relationship, and I assume by your comments that you support the actions of the IRA?

I assume by your comments that you are unconcerned about a return to violence in NI.

I also assume by your comments that you have:
a) not read the opening post in this thread
b) have no idea that the Irish Post is a RoI newspaper
c) have little understanding of the Anglo-Irish conflict

Well he is a Millwall supporter, they have a reputation for violence - even amongst themselves!

[SydneyRover]

This was posted by a reader in the Guardian today, bst has been bashing away making the same point.

20th Century Wars in Europe before EEC/EU (very incomplete list)
1903 Macedonian revolt
1906 Cretan war
1910 Albanian war
1910 Portuguese Civil War
1912 1st Balkan War
1913 2nd Balkan War
1914 1st World War
1916 Irish War of Independence
1918 Russian Civil War
1918 Finnish Civil War
1918 Georgian–Armenian War
1918 Latvian War of Independence
1918 Georgian–Turkish War
1919 Polish-Ukrainian War
1919 Estonian War
1919 Lithuanian War of Independence
1919 Hungarian–Romanian War
1919 Irish War of Independence
1919 Austro-Slovene conflict in Carinthia
1919 Polish-Czech Teschen War
1920 Georgian–Ossetian War
1920 Armenian–Azerbaijani War
1920 Polish–Lithuanian War
1920 Czechoslovakia–Hungary War
1920 Vlora War (Italy-Albania)
1921 Georgian–Soviet War
1921 Silesian Uprisings
1922 Irish Civil War
1924 Georgian Uprising
1932 Mäntsälä rebellion
1934 Austrian Civil War
1936 Spanish Civil War
1939 Hungarian Invasion of Ukraine
1939 2nd World War
1945 Greek Civil War
1956 Hungarian Revolution

20th Century Wars in Europe outside EEC/EU
1974 Cyprus War
1988 Nagorno-Karabakh War
1991 Ten-Day War (Slovenia)
1991 Croatian War of Independence
1992 Bosnian War
1998 Kosovo War
2001 Macedonian Insurgency
1994 First Chechen War
1997 Albanian Civil War
1998 Six-Day War of Abkhazia
1999 War of Dagestan
1999 Second Chechen War

20th Century Wars in Europe inside EEC/EU
None

[selby]

 Let me wish you a VERY HAPPY BREXIT DAY Syd.

[Axholme Lion]

No sane person could hardly compare the two scenarios.

Some supposedly sane person appears to be comparing the withdrawal from a trade relationship that began with a majority vote in a referendum with 400 years of military occupation, forced settlement, land confiscation and the denial of voting rights for most of that period.

But there you go, funny old world.

For one thing being in the EU is not just a trade relationship, and I assume by your comments that you support the actions of the IRA?

I assume by your comments that you are unconcerned about a return to violence in NI.

I understand that my cousin was shot by the IRA.

I also assume by your comments that you have:
a) not read the opening post in this thread
b) have no idea that the Irish Post is a RoI newspaper
c) have little understanding of the Anglo-Irish conflict