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It was shame he was understudy in the England set up to Brian Moore otherwise he’d have had more capsFrom all accounts off the pitch a thoroughly lively and amenable bloke
Cost us a place at the 1974 World Cup when he should have dine his normal hatchet job on the Polish lad at Wembley
This will probably upset a lot of people and this is not an intention to be controversial or to speak ill of the deceased, but.....Norman Hunter was not a very good footballer. He was surrounded by some excellent other footballers at Leeds but he was a dirty player who was just there to stop opponents in whatever crude way he could. The media hype this last couple of days has been well over the top in my opinion. Yes, he's died and like any other death, sympathy to his family and friends but come on, it's typical media 'legend' overhype.
You can't play as many top flight games and win international caps as he did if you aren't a good player.
Quote from: idler on April 20, 2020, 07:23:00 pmYou can't play as many top flight games and win international caps as he did if you aren't a good player.Thing is idler, in my opinion he was the weak link in that Leeds team, when you're surrounded by the mercurial talents of Giles, Bremner and Gray to name but three, then it made him look better than he actually was. To a similar extent he was the Mark Wilson in a midfield of Stock Wellens and Green.As for internationally I think it says more about how poor England were in the easily/mid 70's and like someone has already suggested, a large proportion of blame has to be attached to him for giving the opening goal away and subsequently failing to beat Poland and qualify for the 1974 World Cup.
Quote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 06:57:52 pmThis will probably upset a lot of people and this is not an intention to be controversial or to speak ill of the deceased, but.....Norman Hunter was not a very good footballer. He was surrounded by some excellent other footballers at Leeds but he was a dirty player who was just there to stop opponents in whatever crude way he could. The media hype this last couple of days has been well over the top in my opinion. Yes, he's died and like any other death, sympathy to his family and friends but come on, it's typical media 'legend' overhype.Right I don’t know if your post was intended to get a reaction from me a person who hardly missed a home Leeds game from 1963 to 1978 when Billy Bremner became Rovers Manager.I don’t know how many times you saw Norman Hunter play live but i saw him over 300 times.Yes he took no prisoners and was culpable for a few unsavoury tackles i will admit ( or maybe more than a few ) but he could play football and started off as a left wing half before he became a centre back.His main job was to stop opposition strikers from scoring and he was superb at doing that, mostly i should add by fair means.Saw him dribble down the pitch on many occasions and he scored some very good goals from open play.If it wasn’t for Bobby Moore standing in his way he would have had 80-100 caps for England. He was also voted the players player of the year award in 1970/71 the first year of the award.So if all he was, was a dirty player would his fellow professionals have given him that accolade?So while you are entitled to say what you have said i can categorically tell you your talking rubbish Red Rover 45. Sorry that’s what it is Rubbish.
Quote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 07:37:58 pmQuote from: idler on April 20, 2020, 07:23:00 pmYou can't play as many top flight games and win international caps as he did if you aren't a good player.Thing is idler, in my opinion he was the weak link in that Leeds team, when you're surrounded by the mercurial talents of Giles, Bremner and Gray to name but three, then it made him look better than he actually was. To a similar extent he was the Mark Wilson in a midfield of Stock Wellens and Green.As for internationally I think it says more about how poor England were in the easily/mid 70's and like someone has already suggested, a large proportion of blame has to be attached to him for giving the opening goal away and subsequently failing to beat Poland and qualify for the 1974 World Cup.Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Wrong wrong wrong. He wasn’t a flair player like the ones you mention. He was a defender. Did Rob Jones have the same flair as James Coppinger? I would stop now if I were you as your digging yourself a huge hole.
Quote from: Campsall rover on April 20, 2020, 07:33:24 pmQuote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 06:57:52 pmThis will probably upset a lot of people and this is not an intention to be controversial or to speak ill of the deceased, but.....Norman Hunter was not a very good footballer. He was surrounded by some excellent other footballers at Leeds but he was a dirty player who was just there to stop opponents in whatever crude way he could. The media hype this last couple of days has been well over the top in my opinion. Yes, he's died and like any other death, sympathy to his family and friends but come on, it's typical media 'legend' overhype.Right I don’t know if your post was intended to get a reaction from me a person who hardly missed a home Leeds game from 1963 to 1978 when Billy Bremner became Rovers Manager.I don’t know how many times you saw Norman Hunter play live but i saw him over 300 times.Yes he took no prisoners and was culpable for a few unsavoury tackles i will admit ( or maybe more than a few ) but he could play football and started off as a left wing half before he became a centre back.His main job was to stop opposition strikers from scoring and he was superb at doing that, mostly i should add by fair means.Saw him dribble down the pitch on many occasions and he scored some very good goals from open play.If it wasn’t for Bobby Moore standing in his way he would have had 80-100 caps for England. He was also voted the players player of the year award in 1970/71 the first year of the award.So if all he was, was a dirty player would his fellow professionals have given him that accolade?So while you are entitled to say what you have said i can categorically tell you your talking rubbish Red Rover 45. Sorry that’s what it is Rubbish.First of all Campsall I don't know you from Adam so be rest assured the last thing on my mind was getting a reaction from you, whoever you are.I've obviously touched a nerve with you but your opinion is worth no more than mine and I stick by what I said. It is a forum for venting opinion is it not ?I also saw him play quite a bit so these are not the ramblings of a 'youngster' as I am approaching 60. Like I say, it's all in the opinion and mine is different to yours. Hope that's ok with you ?
Quote from: Campsall rover on April 20, 2020, 07:41:32 pmQuote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 07:37:58 pmQuote from: idler on April 20, 2020, 07:23:00 pmYou can't play as many top flight games and win international caps as he did if you aren't a good player.Thing is idler, in my opinion he was the weak link in that Leeds team, when you're surrounded by the mercurial talents of Giles, Bremner and Gray to name but three, then it made him look better than he actually was. To a similar extent he was the Mark Wilson in a midfield of Stock Wellens and Green.As for internationally I think it says more about how poor England were in the easily/mid 70's and like someone has already suggested, a large proportion of blame has to be attached to him for giving the opening goal away and subsequently failing to beat Poland and qualify for the 1974 World Cup.Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Wrong wrong wrong. He wasn’t a flair player like the ones you mention. He was a defender. Did Rob Jones have the same flair as James Coppinger? I would stop now if I were you as your digging yourself a huge hole. So Mark Wilson was a defender was he ?Ok if you say so but you're further down that hole than I am.
Quote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 07:47:53 pmQuote from: Campsall rover on April 20, 2020, 07:41:32 pmQuote from: RedRover45 on April 20, 2020, 07:37:58 pmQuote from: idler on April 20, 2020, 07:23:00 pmYou can't play as many top flight games and win international caps as he did if you aren't a good player.Thing is idler, in my opinion he was the weak link in that Leeds team, when you're surrounded by the mercurial talents of Giles, Bremner and Gray to name but three, then it made him look better than he actually was. To a similar extent he was the Mark Wilson in a midfield of Stock Wellens and Green.As for internationally I think it says more about how poor England were in the easily/mid 70's and like someone has already suggested, a large proportion of blame has to be attached to him for giving the opening goal away and subsequently failing to beat Poland and qualify for the 1974 World Cup.Oh dear oh dear oh dear. Wrong wrong wrong. He wasn’t a flair player like the ones you mention. He was a defender. Did Rob Jones have the same flair as James Coppinger? I would stop now if I were you as your digging yourself a huge hole. So Mark Wilson was a defender was he ?Ok if you say so but you're further down that hole than I am.Norman Hunter wasn’t a midfielder. You were comparing Wilson a midfielder with other midfielders. You need to compare Hunter with other defenders don’t you think not Bremner, Giles, & Gray. Hunter played along side Reaney, Charlton, & Cooper, as well as others. All of them were great players,