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IDM

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #30 on May 24, 2020, 01:36:55 pm by IDM »
Maybe Dominic Cummings should do one of these jobs.?



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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #31 on May 24, 2020, 07:19:12 pm by idler »
  There was a lad on the Barnsley forum a couple of weeks ago whose post will still be on their site applied for a job picking fruit in East Anglia as he was out of work.
  When he got the terms he was told he would have to stay in the accommodation provided and pay rent and also had to pay for food provided on site which would be deducted from his wage.
  He decided it would not be worth his while the rent and food taking the majority of the wage.
  The farmers, or that farmer are running a scam which is next to slave labour.
 There has always been a section of the work force that have sponged on the majority that work hard to earn a living, and their lifestyle has always been protected by the left in politics and come down hard by those on the right, and unfortunately many through no fault of their own have suffered when they should not have, while the habitual hard core spongers seem to get away with it.
  There is not a lot wrong with the system, it is some of the people in the system that are wrong.
 
I agree Selby. The dole was supposed to tide you over until you got a job or found your feet. The minority now see it is a passport to idleness.
What we need is discipline for the shameless sponging minority and more help for the genuine grafters.
Why should anybody get a free ride at the expense of the honest members of society.

IDM

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #32 on May 24, 2020, 07:20:07 pm by IDM »
Is the taxpayer funding Cummings.?

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #33 on May 24, 2020, 07:30:30 pm by selby »
 IDM, they fund  MP's in parliament expenses and all, researches whether family or not, I would imagine Cummings is as a government adviser, and payed well.

drfchound

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #34 on May 24, 2020, 07:45:20 pm by drfchound »
  There was a lad on the Barnsley forum a couple of weeks ago whose post will still be on their site applied for a job picking fruit in East Anglia as he was out of work.
  When he got the terms he was told he would have to stay in the accommodation provided and pay rent and also had to pay for food provided on site which would be deducted from his wage.
  He decided it would not be worth his while the rent and food taking the majority of the wage.
  The farmers, or that farmer are running a scam which is next to slave labour.
 There has always been a section of the work force that have sponged on the majority that work hard to earn a living, and their lifestyle has always been protected by the left in politics and come down hard by those on the right, and unfortunately many through no fault of their own have suffered when they should not have, while the habitual hard core spongers seem to get away with it.
  There is not a lot wrong with the system, it is some of the people in the system that are wrong.
 
I agree Selby. The dole was supposed to tide you over until you got a job or found your feet. The minority now see it is a passport to idleness.
What we need is discipline for the shameless sponging minority and more help for the genuine grafters.
Why should anybody get a free ride at the expense of the honest members of society.






That’s a second thumbs up posting approval from me today idler.
Well said.

idler

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #35 on May 24, 2020, 08:11:36 pm by idler »
It's common sense for me hound. I worked for just over 50 years until I was almost 66 to be where I am today.
Some of the worst examples just don't want to work at all.

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #36 on May 24, 2020, 09:17:50 pm by Draytonian III »
It's common sense for me hound. I worked for just over 50 years until I was almost 66 to be where I am today.
Some of the worst examples just don't want to work at all.c




 
I’m currently out of work after being made redundant two weeks before the lockdown started, I had worked at same place for 18&half years. So I’ve been living on dole money and using a bit of my savings to get by whilst my redundancy money is sorted ,for those in the know the company I used to work for is waiting for a CVA to be put in place .
 I’ll admit I haven’t been looking for a job because of the Covid 19 virus as I don’t want to go and bring it back into my house that my soon to be 84 year old mother also lives in . What would you do if you were in my place ?

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #37 on May 24, 2020, 10:54:58 pm by SydneyRover »
I don't like to hear/see stories about dole bludgers collectively it's how the tories demonise a particular section of society it's how the murdoch press drive a wedge in between working people and those not working so immigrants can be labelled and made out to be at the heart of everyone's problems. During the depression I don't think those that couldn't find work were demonised. Until the government of the day can provide enough jobs for every person then for me there is no problem by default no everyone can get a job.

drfchound

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #38 on May 24, 2020, 11:06:12 pm by drfchound »
I have known people over the years who were serial work dodgers.
I had a cousin who hardly ever worked from leaving school until the day he died in his early sixties.
He always knew how to avoid having to take a job.
Those are the type of people that idler is on about, nothing to do with who is in government.

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #39 on May 24, 2020, 11:10:46 pm by SydneyRover »
I have known thousands and thousands of people in many countries that have worked all their lives when they have had the opportunity, what's your point hound?

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #40 on May 24, 2020, 11:12:26 pm by drfchound »
Have you read what has been written in the last few posts.
 :zzz: :zzz:

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #41 on May 24, 2020, 11:15:46 pm by SydneyRover »
in your's bb's and bp's style I'll ask you to answer my question first if you don't mind :woohoo:

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #42 on May 24, 2020, 11:17:40 pm by drfchound »
Post 34 and 35 have a clue for you.

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #43 on May 24, 2020, 11:19:16 pm by SydneyRover »
you haven't answered my question  :woohoo:

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #44 on May 24, 2020, 11:23:58 pm by SydneyRover »
Ususal style hound make a fool of yourself on the conavirus thread the other day now you must have a win?

idler

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #45 on May 25, 2020, 12:11:12 am by idler »
It's common sense for me hound. I worked for just over 50 years until I was almost 66 to be where I am today.
Some of the worst examples just don't want to work at all.c




 
I’m currently out of work after being made redundant two weeks before the lockdown started, I had worked at same place for 18&half years. So I’ve been living on dole money and using a bit of my savings to get by whilst my redundancy money is sorted ,for those in the know the company I used to work for is waiting for a CVA to be put in place .
 I’ll admit I haven’t been looking for a job because of the Covid 19 virus as I don’t want to go and bring it back into my house that my soon to be 84 year old mother also lives in . What would you do if you were in my place ?
These aren't normal times draytonian so I don't have a problem with what you are doing at the moment. You say that you were at the same firm for over 18 years so it proves you are a worker. Good look in your search for a job as it will be hard when this finishes.
I was maybe lucky being born when full almost employment was the norm.



SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #46 on May 25, 2020, 12:52:48 am by SydneyRover »
I don't really have a problem with anyone that doesn't want to work when the majority does as they are a relatively small minority and as I see it are missing out on a big part of life, this style of life may not suit everyone and unless we subject everyone to a lie detector or other means of drilling down mostly we don't know why, they may just not fit the western lifestyle mould so I really don't spend my life worrying about it, why spend time and resources trying to force people to do something they really don't want to do when others are willing participants, spend more time with those that do. Those interviewed and deemed lazy may have underlying mental issues that even they themselves do not understand, when unemployment rises thousands of people don't suddenly decide they don't want to work and they shouldn't be stigmatised I would like to see much more carrot and less stick.


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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #47 on May 25, 2020, 01:22:16 am by BillyStubbsTears »
I suggest everyone in this thread reads The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell.

In the mid 30s, he saw destitution in this country and raged in that book against people with comfortable lives who moaned about dole scroungers.

Within 5 years, we were at war. We needed workers to do double shifts at the foundries and the airfields and down the pits. Go and have a look what happened to the dole figures. Or if you can't be arsed, I'll tell you. They dropped to near-zero, overnight. Because jobs were available.

Yes, there is a VERY small minority of people who sponge of the dole. Always has been and I despise them. But get it in perspective. They are a tiny, tiny minority. Most people on the dole are desperate for the security and dignity of a job.

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #48 on May 25, 2020, 01:29:50 am by SydneyRover »
In that case I stand corrected people were demonised for not working following the depression, sad isn't it.

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #49 on May 25, 2020, 01:32:37 am by tommy toes »
I read that book when I was about 16; and have re-read it over the years.
Gave it to my daughter to read when she was 16.
Now she's a bigger socialist than me!

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #50 on May 25, 2020, 06:13:26 am by Donnywolf »
Amazing how Animal Farm and 1984 are still resonating to this day as well

drfchound

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #51 on May 25, 2020, 08:27:24 am by drfchound »
you haven't answered my question  :woohoo:







SR, I went to bed.
To summarise....you asked me what my point was after my post about people who don’t want to work and after which I highlighted the case of my cousin.
I put you in the direction of posts earlier in the thread.
Idler had written about the people in society who dodge work and saw them as the shameless sponging minority (his words, not mine).
I said that I liked his post and agreed with his sentiments.
I them wrote my post and highlighted one particular case in point.

Then you, in YOUR usual style bombed in asking me what was the point of my post.
Probably because I had added that it doesn’t matter who is in government and that would have touched a nerve with you in case it included your beloved Labour Party.
You even threw in one of your usual insults.

Anyway, I hope that has answered your question and you can now look for something else to have a go at. 🙂

drfchound

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #52 on May 25, 2020, 08:30:42 am by drfchound »
I suggest everyone in this thread reads The Road to Wigan Pier by George Orwell.

In the mid 30s, he saw destitution in this country and raged in that book against people with comfortable lives who moaned about dole scroungers.

Within 5 years, we were at war. We needed workers to do double shifts at the foundries and the airfields and down the pits. Go and have a look what happened to the dole figures. Or if you can't be arsed, I'll tell you. They dropped to near-zero, overnight. Because jobs were available.

Yes, there is a VERY small minority of people who sponge of the dole. Always has been and I despise them. But get it in perspective. They are a tiny, tiny minority. Most people on the dole are desperate for the security and dignity of a job.





BST, just to get this into perspective from my point of view (and I suspects idlers too) I understand that it is a small minority who dodge work and very often they can be second or third generation, following the family tradition.
I never at any time said that all of the out of work people don’t want to work.

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #53 on May 25, 2020, 08:34:10 am by SydneyRover »
you haven't answered my question  :woohoo:

So your first post immediately following mine had nothing to do with my post?

I understand but you do tend to tear around the forum looking for posts that you can question so you shouldn't be surprised when you get pulled up.







SR, I went to bed.
To summarise....you asked me what my point was after my post about people who don’t want to work and after which I highlighted the case of my cousin.
I put you in the direction of posts earlier in the thread.
Idler had written about the people in society who dodge work and saw them as the shameless sponging minority (his words, not mine).
I said that I liked his post and agreed with his sentiments.
I them wrote my post and highlighted one particular case in point.

Then you, in YOUR usual style bombed in asking me what was the point of my post.
Probably because I had added that it doesn’t matter who is in government and that would have touched a nerve with you in case it included your beloved Labour Party.
You even threw in one of your usual insults.

Anyway, I hope that has answered your question and you can now look for something else to have a go at. 🙂

drfchound

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #54 on May 25, 2020, 08:44:59 am by drfchound »
you haven't answered my question  :woohoo:

So your first post immediately following mine had nothing to do with my post?

I understand but you do tend to tear around the forum looking for posts that you can question so you shouldn't be surprised when you get pulled up.







SR, I went to bed.
To summarise....you asked me what my point was after my post about people who don’t want to work and after which I highlighted the case of my cousin.
I put you in the direction of posts earlier in the thread.
Idler had written about the people in society who dodge work and saw them as the shameless sponging minority (his words, not mine).
I said that I liked his post and agreed with his sentiments.
I them wrote my post and highlighted one particular case in point.

Then you, in YOUR usual style bombed in asking me what was the point of my post.
Probably because I had added that it doesn’t matter who is in government and that would have touched a nerve with you in case it included your beloved Labour Party.
You even threw in one of your usual insults.

Anyway, I hope that has answered your question and you can now look for something else to have a go at. 🙂








To answer your question above, inserted between posts instead of after my message to you, no.....my post wasn’t anything to do with yours.
Idler and myself were  talking about the small minority of work dodgers.
You had written that you “Don’t like talking about dole bludgeons collectively” so we obviously weren’t talking about the same things.
I hope that helps. 🙂

SydneyRover

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #55 on May 25, 2020, 08:46:36 am by SydneyRover »
perfectly I always said you were a gentleman.

drfchound

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« Reply #56 on May 25, 2020, 08:51:57 am by drfchound »
Thanks, you are welcome 🤝

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Re: Those Cabbages are not going to pick themselves
« Reply #57 on May 25, 2020, 09:01:36 am by ravenrover »
One of my uncles used to work the system, 1 week at work 13 weeks off sick, back to work for a week 13 weeks off sick oh for the good old days

 

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