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A lot of these problems are beyond the capability of any government to deal with I fear. They are a consequence of globalisation and global markets.The deindustrialisation of Northern Britain has left long term deep intractable problems. It's not only the UK, there are deprived rust belt areas all over the western world.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 03:36:01 pmQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 03:07:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .Trouble is I don't trust many developers to actually put up something better.The real problem Goldthorpe still has is the pit shut down and nothing has provided enough decent employment since.There's another aspect to this too , the normal house market prices will get a reset and that's well overdue in my opinion .For some maybe, but not for those who have bought recently who will then have a hefty mortgage with negative equity - that cannot be allowed to happen. As has been alluded to in other threads inflating out of the economic problems is reluctantly more sensible.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 03:07:54 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .Trouble is I don't trust many developers to actually put up something better.The real problem Goldthorpe still has is the pit shut down and nothing has provided enough decent employment since.There's another aspect to this too , the normal house market prices will get a reset and that's well overdue in my opinion .
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 11:50:24 amQuote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .Trouble is I don't trust many developers to actually put up something better.The real problem Goldthorpe still has is the pit shut down and nothing has provided enough decent employment since.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 11:33:24 amI don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.I take that point Don , but the human mind works on demolishing things physically and replacing it with something better .You put pride back in then the rest should follow .I was brought up on a tough council estate myself , Barnsley Council did every home up on that estate and its reputation improved massively .I've seen this work on a small scale .
I don't known Goldthorpe very well Tyke but I suspect the problem is in the poverty that breeds social depravation, not the buildings.
Quote from: bpoolrover on June 19, 2020, 03:45:21 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 03:03:39 pmQuote from: ravenrover on June 19, 2020, 02:31:01 pmWhen ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the gameIt wasn't always so raven , rough and ready perhaps but it had a thriving local economy right up to the 90's .On the main drag it had shop after shop , DC Cook had a huge motorbike showroom and a thriving local market ...... all gone now .Wombwell is another similar place , these small towns within a town once thrived and I believe they can thrive again if the will and strength of conviction exists .There's nothing in the middle these days , towns are either economically off the scale or they are deprived .There's only the opposition who can level things up because never mind Johnson and his new voters , anyone who believes he has the nous or will to pull this off wants to give their head a shake .The Tory donors don't pump millions in to the party to have Goldthorpe economically viable again that I do know . How would things improve for the town if labour were in power? Talking of Wombwell and Goldthorpe many areas in the Dearne Valley have seen lots of improvements and job opportunities created as a result of EU funding. No doubt in years to come many of those residents of the area will come to regret voting for Brexit.
Quote from: tyke1962 on June 19, 2020, 03:03:39 pmQuote from: ravenrover on June 19, 2020, 02:31:01 pmWhen ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the gameIt wasn't always so raven , rough and ready perhaps but it had a thriving local economy right up to the 90's .On the main drag it had shop after shop , DC Cook had a huge motorbike showroom and a thriving local market ...... all gone now .Wombwell is another similar place , these small towns within a town once thrived and I believe they can thrive again if the will and strength of conviction exists .There's nothing in the middle these days , towns are either economically off the scale or they are deprived .There's only the opposition who can level things up because never mind Johnson and his new voters , anyone who believes he has the nous or will to pull this off wants to give their head a shake .The Tory donors don't pump millions in to the party to have Goldthorpe economically viable again that I do know . How would things improve for the town if labour were in power?
Quote from: ravenrover on June 19, 2020, 02:31:01 pmWhen ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the gameIt wasn't always so raven , rough and ready perhaps but it had a thriving local economy right up to the 90's .On the main drag it had shop after shop , DC Cook had a huge motorbike showroom and a thriving local market ...... all gone now .Wombwell is another similar place , these small towns within a town once thrived and I believe they can thrive again if the will and strength of conviction exists .There's nothing in the middle these days , towns are either economically off the scale or they are deprived .There's only the opposition who can level things up because never mind Johnson and his new voters , anyone who believes he has the nous or will to pull this off wants to give their head a shake .The Tory donors don't pump millions in to the party to have Goldthorpe economically viable again that I do know . How would things improve for the town if labour were in power?
When ever I played at Goldthorpe I couldn't get out quick enough after the game
A lot would need to change for Goldthorpe to become a tech based financial services centre!It's not just a matter of infrastructure, it's skills and an undefinable thing about providing a quality of life that skilled, wealthy people can readily find in other parts of the world.In all honesty I don't think this is going to be a solution for an area like Goldthorpe. It might be something an urban centre like Sheffield or Leeds might hope to achieve.It might be conceivable, if that were to happen that a place like Goldthorpe could prove more attractive to service based workers commuting to a centre like that. in all honesty though, given its location, I think it more likely the area will be left to wither. Goldthorpe is where it is because of the mining industry and without mining does it really have a role.It might seem cruel to say it but perhaps investment would be better focussed on training and skills than anything else, giving better opportunities to relocate?
Yep, with better transport links Goldthorpe might become more attractive as a less expensive area for commuters to consider. Edit: is a HS2 station at Thurnscoe a realistic project?The other option might be to try and attract a large employer to revitalise the area but there are only so many Siemens or BMW projects going and competition to attract those facilities is fierce.
If we're taking climate change seriously then short haul flights aren't going to be a feasible option and high speed rail looks a realistic solution.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 06:23:58 pmIf we're taking climate change seriously then short haul flights aren't going to be a feasible option and high speed rail looks a realistic solution.If this crisis has taught us anything, it is the limitations of virtual meetings. We will be building HS2. Hopefully 3 too.Regarding rail links from Goldthorpe, the connection to Sheffield and Leeds is and will be much more important than a connection to Barnsley. Major cities are inevitably going to be the growth hubs of the first half of this century. The key for people in Goldthorpe is education to prepare young people for tech/ creative/high skill manufacturing jobs then quick, cheap and reliable transport into the big cities where those jobs are.
Quote from: River Don on June 19, 2020, 05:37:53 pmYep, with better transport links Goldthorpe might become more attractive as a less expensive area for commuters to consider. Edit: is a HS2 station at Thurnscoe a realistic project?The other option might be to try and attract a large employer to revitalise the area but there are only so many Siemens or BMW projects going and competition to attract those facilities is fierce.I once went down to watch my team at Millwall in the early 80's , a daunting prospect I can tell you .As the coach plotted its way to The Den it meant going through the old docks area .There was miles and miles of corrugated metal fencing and behind it was total devastation , rubble and bonfires , absolutely nothing else , it looked like the end of the world .Look at it today , totally regenerated .There's no difference between the old docklands and what you see in many post industrial areas around the country .The only difference is the will to take up the challenge , nobody could realistically expect Goldthorpe to have the same economic benefits as the old docklands enjoy but just to leave it to rot shouldn't be accepted either .