George Galloway's Workers Party Of Britain

[tyke1962]

I only found this by complete accident the other day , a new socialist party co founded by George Galloway following the catastrophic defeat of Jeremy Corbyn at the last election .

From watching some content on YouTube , it's not for the liberal left to be wanting to get involved in .

They are absolutely loathed , not one for your average Guardian reader then , Starmer is described as the illegitimate son of Tony Blair minus a personality !!! .

Working class and pro brexit and bob's your uncle so to speak .

Going to keep an eye on this and see if Galloway and co have spotted a gap in the political party market .


https://workerspartybritain.org/about/

[scawsby steve]

I only found this by complete accident the other day , a new socialist party co founded by George Galloway following the catastrophic defeat of Jeremy Corbyn at the last election .

From watching some content on YouTube , it's not for the liberal left to be wanting to get involved in .

They are absolutely loathed , not one for your average Guardian reader then , Starmer is described as the illegitimate son of Tony Blair minus a personality !!! .

Working class and pro brexit and bob's your uncle so to speak .

Going to keep an eye on this and see if Galloway and co have spotted a gap in the political party market .


https://workerspartybritain.org/about/

You're right Tyke, this is definitely not one for the liberal left. On that basis, we can safely assume that Chuka "snake oil" Umunna won't be making it his latest political party.

[Glyn_Wigley]

George Galloway's biggest problem is that he's the illegitimate son of George Galloway.

[BillyStubbsTears]

George Galloway is playing his role of trying to make the Left unelectable. Another part of Putin's masterplan.

[tyke1962]

George Galloway is playing his role of trying to make the Left unelectable. Another part of Putin's masterplan.

The dying embers of New Labour in 2010 and 2015 didn't exactly cut it either Billy just for balance .

The red wall bricks were already starting to be removed before it finally collapsed to the floor last year .

I blame the Guardian !!!

 

[tyke1962]

The Labour Party would be well advised to keep an eye on George's new party .

It's very grass roots at the moment but so was UKIP to begin with .

I say this because whilst I'm not expecting The Workers Party to break through at the next election it could easily split the vote in the former red wall and that's not exactly helpful given the collapse of it at the last election for Labour .

George knows what he's on with here and speaks the right language that could connect around here .

It would be churlish to underestimate this but Labour off course would never do that now would they ......

[Glyn_Wigley]

Perhaps they could merge with Scargill's Socialist Labour Party and really put the shits up Starmer.

[Metalmicky]

Galloway has a charisma (albeit one that would only appeal to a few) - and there are willing socialist out there who he will appeal to... wouldn't surprise if he had the 'Farage' effect on an element of Labour stalwarts...

[tyke1962]

Galloway has a charisma (albeit one that would only appeal to a few) - and there are willing socialist out there who he will appeal to... wouldn't surprise if he had the 'Farage' effect on an element of Labour stalwarts...

It's a very good point is that , I caught the last hour of a live Q@A the party did tonight with George taking questions and the age group taking part was actually spread widely .

Some extremely intelligent content coming in from a wide range of working class people .

Definitely something to keep a watch on because Galloway has a name and a presence about him that is capable of connecting with .

What's becoming apparent is the toxicity of the Labour Party , absolutely loathed .

A good majority of the people are former Labour party voters and activists looking for a political home and Starmer clearly isn't going to reach these people unless something massively changes .

As I said previously they may want to keep an eye on this because the implications are obvious after the last election around these parts .

[idler]

I can't think of George Galloway without the image of him dressed as a cat drinking milk from a saucer trying to get off with Rula Lenska. Any MP that would appear on celebrity big brother loses all credibility for me.

[drfchound]

Galloway has a charisma (albeit one that would only appeal to a few) - and there are willing socialist out there who he will appeal to... wouldn't surprise if he had the 'Farage' effect on an element of Labour stalwarts...

It could quite easily dilute the Labour vote again.

[tyke1962]

I can't think of George Galloway without the image of him dressed as a cat drinking milk from a saucer trying to get off with Rula Lenska. Any MP that would appear on celebrity big brother loses all credibility for me.

The thing is they don't have to even win a single seat to cause mayhem at the next GE .

Look at the impact UKIP had on British politics , they only ever won one seat and Farage lost every election to parliament he stood on .

The electorate may well be pyssed off with the Tories in 2024 but that doesn't necessarily convert to Labour votes if there's another party singing the tune in the former red wall .

The two Labour MP's in Barnsley got in by the skin of their teeth , if the Brexit Party had stood they would have lost .

These are the implications I'm alluding to .

The toxicity of the Labour Party inside the red wall is actually shocking , far more depth to it than I realised myself .

A clever posh bloke from London singing the same tune as was sung in 1997 may not cut through around these parts .

Working class , no wokeness and massively pro brexit talks loud even if you wear a silly hat and made an idiot of yourself on Big Brother .

[selby]

  His Friday night programme on Talk Radio was the best three hours of wide ranging broadcasting debate on the air.
  He can certainly debate a point, he had an open request for other politicians to call in from any party and of course very few did especially on the Brexit debate that he supported.
 A very clever bloke who all the parties should and probably are a little afraid of, hence the approach taken by the media who scandalise him probably at all the parties behest. A lesson the yanks learnt when he tore them to shreds, no dodging the bullets there George, the TV audience must have thought where did this bloke come from.
   

[tyke1962]

  His Friday night programme on Talk Radio was the best three hours of wide ranging broadcasting debate on the air.
  He can certainly debate a point, he had an open request for other politicians to call in from any party and of course very few did especially on the Brexit debate that he supported.
 A very clever bloke who all the parties should and probably are a little afraid of, hence the approach taken by the media who scandalise him probably at all the parties behest. A lesson the yanks learnt when he tore them to shreds, no dodging the bullets there George, the TV audience must have thought where did this bloke come from.
 

The reputation of the Labour Party around these parts  has shocked me Selby .

I knew it was a wounded animal but I didn't figure it was terminally ill .

Treachery is very difficult to come back from your supposed own .

I reckon the electorate almost expect the tories to sell them down the river but that doesn't mean a new leader and a new outlook will cut through for Labour .

Not at all , Starmer needs to consider that going back to 1997 won't work one bit around here , they were part of the problem , not the solution .

Yes the left wing rhetoric  has to go also so he needs to build something on his own .

Extremely difficult to say the least .

[BillyStubbsTears]

  His Friday night programme on Talk Radio was the best three hours of wide ranging broadcasting debate on the air.
  He can certainly debate a point, he had an open request for other politicians to call in from any party and of course very few did especially on the Brexit debate that he supported.
 A very clever bloke who all the parties should and probably are a little afraid of, hence the approach taken by the media who scandalise him probably at all the parties behest. A lesson the yanks learnt when he tore them to shreds, no dodging the bullets there George, the TV audience must have thought where did this bloke come from.
 

The reputation of the Labour Party around these parts  has shocked me Selby .

I knew it was a wounded animal but I didn't figure it was terminally ill .

Treachery is very difficult to come back from your supposed own .

I reckon the electorate almost expect the tories to sell them down the river but that doesn't mean a new leader and a new outlook will cut through for Labour .

Not at all , Starmer needs to consider that going back to 1997 won't work one bit around here , they were part of the problem , not the solution .

Yes the left wing rhetoric  has to go also so he needs to build something on his own .

Extremely difficult to say the least .

"Treachery" is a strong word.

What is your justification for that?

[wilts rover]

I can't see George Galloway's WPGB being any more successful than George Galloway's Respect Party, but what I do know.

I do however remember Tyke being a big advocate for Starmer to be elected as leader of the Labour Party.

Given his background what did you expect him to do that he hasn't done?

[tyke1962]

  His Friday night programme on Talk Radio was the best three hours of wide ranging broadcasting debate on the air.
  He can certainly debate a point, he had an open request for other politicians to call in from any party and of course very few did especially on the Brexit debate that he supported.
 A very clever bloke who all the parties should and probably are a little afraid of, hence the approach taken by the media who scandalise him probably at all the parties behest. A lesson the yanks learnt when he tore them to shreds, no dodging the bullets there George, the TV audience must have thought where did this bloke come from.
 

The reputation of the Labour Party around these parts  has shocked me Selby .

I knew it was a wounded animal but I didn't figure it was terminally ill .

Treachery is very difficult to come back from your supposed own .

I reckon the electorate almost expect the tories to sell them down the river but that doesn't mean a new leader and a new outlook will cut through for Labour .

Not at all , Starmer needs to consider that going back to 1997 won't work one bit around here , they were part of the problem , not the solution .

Yes the left wing rhetoric  has to go also so he needs to build something on his own .

Extremely difficult to say the least .

"Treachery" is a strong word.

What is your justification for that?

Billy they aren't my words they are the opinions I've gathered from what I've heard myself or read .

Bear in mind I'm specifically referring to the former red wall here .

I think the decision to put honouring the brexit result in the 2017 manifesto and then walking away from it was possibly one example .

However I also believe the New Labour years also had people in the former red wall feeling like they'd been abandoned by the party .

Opening up the borders and the huge influx of eastern European workers competing for what work there was didn't help either .

As I say I'm only relaying what I've seen and heard myself .

[tyke1962]

I can't see George Galloway's WPGB being any more successful than George Galloway's Respect Party, but what I do know.

I do however remember Tyke being a big advocate for Starmer to be elected as leader of the Labour Party.

Given his background what did you expect him to do that he hasn't done?

As with my reply to Billy's post I'm only relaying opinions sourced from others and specifically in the former red wall .

Starmer is doing ok in my opinion and it's still early days , it takes time form a real opinion I feel .

We aren't exactly certain for sure how the party will look yet we can only speculate .

[DonnyOsmond]

https://sdp.org.uk/policies/

These are the party. Free market and social policies. A party with similar policies to the Nordic countries, who have the highest happiness percentage, low homelessness and decent healthcare.

[tyke1962]

There's a few of these Q&A videos on YouTube with George taking questions and I'm going to have a good look at them .

We all know George isn't going to change the face of british politics , he may get elected under this new umbrella , he managed it with his Respect Party in Bradford so I wouldn't entirely dismiss that personally but I suspect he'll be a one or two man band at least in the short to mid term .

No my concern is more about the voters and the people who have taken part in these videos and the growth of the membership .

I suspect that the vast majority of them are ex Corbyn voters but pro brexit , people who were energised under early Corbyn and feel let down as a consequence of the party's handling of brexit .

My early impressions are that these people didn't flip to the Tories at the last election and may have even held their nose and voted Labour despite all of that .

These people may already have left the party as a consequence of New Labour but returned when Corbyn got the gig .

If that is the case then that would be concerning but as I say I need to get a better handle on this and view more content .

If the red wall were pyssed off with New Labour and Corbyn then the bandwidth narrows even further if Galloway's new party grows in support .

Keep the red flag flying high comrades , they actually do refer to each other using that term btw .


 

[selby]

  The country is now a one and a half party electorate and is likely to remain so in the foreseeable future.
  Galloway's new party will not  get the funds or the exposure to  mount  a credible opposition, and the exposure part is the main thing the one and a half parties will not be keen to let him have, because if they do he will grow the opposition, and on such as question time and the Marr show, which he used to say he no longer got invites to would bury any of the current party front men and women.
  On the Collins show this afternoon Starmer was lambasted over his past stance, and his outright treachery of the electorate on the Brexit issue.
  The honeymoon is over, the Tories are beginning their character assassination of the Labour Leader as Labour have run against Boris. the dirt will now fly, and he has not been that good in the past, and has a second front in the Labour Party itself to fight against.
  If he wins the battle in his own party, George Galloway could be the  recipient of a gift from the Labour Party as Tyke says.
   

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.

We are back to the nub of the problem

The Brexit we are racing headlong towards is, by any assessment, nothing remotely like what was discussed and promised in 2016.

Agreed?

I assume you do agree because you're a smart lad.

In those circumstances, tell me precisely what Labour's policy was supposed to be in 2019. Were they supposed to shrug their shoulders and say, "yeah, worreva" to the Johnson Brexit?

And is it really "treachery" in those circumstances to have a policy that says, "let's hold a vote to see if the British public REALLY want a form of Brexit that the Leave side told us was at the most insane fringe of Project Fear in 2016"?

[tyke1962]

Tyke.

We are back to the nub of the problem

The Brexit we are racing headlong towards is, by any assessment, nothing remotely like what was discussed and promised in 2016.

Agreed?

I assume you do agree because you're a smart lad.

In those circumstances, tell me precisely what Labour's policy was supposed to be in 2019. Were they supposed to shrug their shoulders and say, "yeah, worreva" to the Johnson Brexit?

And is it really "treachery" in those circumstances to have a policy that says, "let's hold a vote to see if the British public REALLY want a form of Brexit that the Leave side told us was at the most insane fringe of Project Fear in 2016"?

Billy .

I'm Labour voter mate , I'm not the one who has either voted for the tories or will simply not vote Labour again .

Those are the ones the party need to reach out to .

[scawsby steve]

I thought Keir Starmer said it was time for people to put the row over Brexit behind them and move on?

People should take heed of that, because unless old wounds are healed, particularly in the North of England, Labour will fail again in 2024.

[tyke1962]

I thought Keir Starmer said it was time for people to put the row over Brexit behind them and move on?

People should take heed of that, because unless old wounds are healed, particularly in the North of England, Labour will fail again in 2024.

Someway Starmer has to keep the metropolitan Labour voters onside , recapture the red wall and then the small matter of eating further in to the tory seats .

It's a monumental task but neither is it impossible .

Starmer has to put his own mark on the party that shifts it away from New Labour and Corbyn and not only retains support it attracts it in its millions .

There's some brainstorming to be done here to say the least .

This is why it makes me uneasy when I see a new party headed by George Galloway appear because we need every vote there is , the red wall simply has to return .

I've nowt against George , he's smart operator , brilliant orator and speaks his mind , his brand of socialism is what you'd expect from him but I'm pragmatic enough to know it's for the fairies in this day and age but there's enough who will buy in to it and I'm long past supporting protest groups even if I can reconcile with much of what they say .

Farage put the shyts up the tories but we can't afford that , we've nowt in the bank to play with .

[selby]

  Seriously Tyke, how many of the ex mining villages around Barnsley have changed both physically with new housing estates and small industrial estates (a genuine question not really visiting the area for a few years)and socially ( the working men's clubs closed) and do you think they are the committed labour areas as they used to be.
 The communities are split up now buddy, they are full of individuals who only think of their own affairs, and are no longer cloned to think politically as one unit, even the Labour title is beginning to look dated and old hat.

[tyke1962]

  Seriously Tyke, how many of the ex mining villages around Barnsley have changed both physically with new housing estates and small industrial estates (a genuine question not really visiting the area for a few years)and socially ( the working men's clubs closed) and do you think they are the committed labour areas as they used to be.
 The communities are split up now buddy, they are full of individuals who only think of their own affairs, and are no longer cloned to think politically as one unit, even the Labour title is beginning to look dated and old hat.

It's a very good point Selby and no I don't think the communities around these parts support the Labour Party in the traditional way they once did for the very reasons you point out .

Many many people in areas like this are totally disenfranchised and actually feel within themselves that nobody truly represents them , they are on their own totally abandoned by the political system .

The Tory Party under Thatcher and Major threw them on the scrap heap and New Labour offered far too little to get them out of it .

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

Little wonder it finally collapsed last year .

It doesn't help Labour's prospects either when they are in opposition with an election winning machine , backed by serious wealth and power and can reinvent themselves to become anything they want to be , at least on the face of it , although it only requires a bit of time to dig in to the detail to work out in reality nothing really changes at all with that lot , 90% of the electorate don't do the detail .

To tell the truth If I was only concerned for myself and our lass I wouldn't bother with it , we are reasonably comfortable but that's only because we both have worked our @sses off , 7 days a week , 12 hours a day for me and our lass enrolled at college for two years and got herself a career instead of working in a care home for buttons a week .

No it's our kids that keep me going , our youngest daughter lives in Rotherham with her partnerr and our 6 month old grandchild , in rented accommodation that's not worth the rent they pay , her partner works at Amazon in Doncaster , ZHC , worked to death for buttons an hour and they haven't a penny to scratch their backsides with .

We help them out massively , we help them out because they do their damdest to stand on their own two feet but the system is against them .

There's only one party that's ever going to change that scenario and I live in hope that they will .

[selby]

  And there you have it folks the reality I see, you can be as wide and traditional thinking as you want, the disaffection in the Red wall areas is two fold.
  1) the influx of better off workers who are working their way up the property ladder in the new estates built in once industrial villages in the area who don't think themselves as labour.
  2) the workers working for poor wages whose parents had better jobs in the same areas in mining , Steel, and ancillary industries whose parents had jobs that enhanced their living standards above their parents, but now find themselves going backwards from their parents standards, and the hard fact is that the resentment and drawing away from the labour party started when Blair failed to address their plight, they sold the areas out and worse they made noises of help, that never came, the last four years have been the Labour Party reaping the harvest they sowed. 

[BillyStubbsTears]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

[Ldr]

Even under Corbyn as Billy points out when push came to shove the metropolitan remainers in the Labour Party won the day on Brexit over the former red wall .

You have to consider where Labour's support is today. It is increasingly young, metropolitan, highly educated, internationalist in outlook.

We saw 15 months ago what happened when Corbyn tried to take Labour in a nationalist/Brexit supporting line. Labour's poll support dropped from 40% to 20% in 3 months.

The people who claim that "Labour lost the 2019 Election because of being seen to support Remain" entirely ignore what would have happened if they had overtly supported Leave. I'll give you my two pennorth. Labour would have been lucky to win 100 seats last December.

3 quick comments

1) A Labour party heading that direction rather than being one to support and represent the workers is not a Labour party, its a party that has lost its soul and been consumed by parasites

2) My old Dad always says, "Educated does not equal common sense or life experience"

3) BST, i know I wind you up at times but I do enjoy your insight and input