US Election

[River Don]

Actually, after not liking the look of him a few months ago, I'm starting to warm a bit towards Joe Biden. He has a real calmness about him that's quite refreshing.

After the terrible tragedies he's suffered in his life, I wish him luck now.

For me he got elected by playing safe, not saying much and just offering an alternative to Trump. The election was all about Trump.

Now they have a 77 yo in power, without much of an agenda. Maybe that's OK in these Covid times, perhaps someone who can focus on dealing with the crisis is what's needed.

If he can stay alive until 81, stabilise the economy and avoid going into another war then that might be enough to see another democrat in power next time to build on it.

For me though he's an unispiring candidate who so far hasn't offered much of a vision.

[tyke1962]

Actually, after not liking the look of him a few months ago, I'm starting to warm a bit towards Joe Biden. He has a real calmness about him that's quite refreshing.

After the terrible tragedies he's suffered in his life, I wish him luck now.

For me he got elected by playing safe, not saying much and just offering an alternative to Trump. The election was all about Trump.

Now they have a 77 yo in power, without much of an agenda. Maybe that's OK in these Covid times, perhaps someone who can focus on dealing with the crisis is what's needed.

If he can stay alive until 81, stabilise the economy and avoid going into another war then that might be enough to see another democrat in power next time to build on it.

For me though he's an unispiring candidate who so far hasn't offered much of a vision.

Pretty much where Starmer and Labour are Don and I totally agree with you about Biden .

Great change seems impossible these days to the left of Trump and Johnson .

Greater distribution of wealth on the ticket and you lose .

I'm at a loss as to how we elect a socially democratic leader in this day and age .

[SydneyRover]

If Biden gets through most of this it will be good

''Joe Biden: Where does he stand on key issues?''

https://www.bbc.com/news/election-us-2020-53575474

[BillyStubbsTears]

Now THIS is the way you deal with sweeping the dregs of Trumpism into the dustbin.

https://mobile.twitter.com/davenewworld_2/status/1325154115173879814

[BillyStubbsTears]

When we get to the bottom of what enabled Trumpism to nearly destroy American democracy, Facebook will be right in the headlights for amplifying and turbocharging Trumpist batshit propaganda.

This was the list of top ten Facebook links a week before the election.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1321455057439633408

This was it two months before.

https://mobile.twitter.com/FacebooksTop10/status/1302656401366421505

This was it a year ago.

Fox News
Breitbart
David J Harris Jr
Ben Shapiro
Dan Bongino

That is the checklist of Trumpist lying propaganda sources. Poured into people's FB feed through Zuckerberg's algorithms. With zero oversight.

Truly horrific.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I stayed up to hear Biden's speech last night. As someone has said, there wasn't a lot of policy detail but then this election has all been about style of leadership rather than policies.

How refreshing it was to hear a speech that was properly coherent and not what appeared to be a stream-of-consciousness ramble such as we've had for the past four years.

I'm now looking forward to Trump being asked where the Covid vaccines he promised within weeks are when they don't materialise...he'll still be in the White House then and I bet the journalists will be off the leash now the election has emasculated him and his threats. Especially the Fox News ones, they'll be falling over themselves to pin the election loss on Trump personally and not the Republican Party.

[Donnywolf]

.... as well as the (quote) CNN b******s

What a terrible thing for a President to say ON the record

[ravenrover]

Speculation from over the pond is that he may set up his own TV network, 70m subscribers? He could be a thorn in the side of Biden for the next 4 years if did decode to have hos own network and then watch out in 4 years at the nect election. What might be even worse is that he wants his daughter to run at some point

[BillyStubbsTears]

He'll need serious money to do that. He'll have to fight Murdoch for batshit far right audience. And he's got ?0.5bn of debt to pay back in the next couple of years.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Now everybody knows he welshes on every debt he can, who is going to be stupid enough to give him millions of dollars to do anything in future? He's already maxed out in the US and the rest of the world is now on notice after he shafted Deutscher Bank for millions.

[Donnywolf]

Speculation from over the pond is that he may set up his own TV network, 70m subscribers? He could be a thorn in the side of Biden for the next 4 years if did decode to have hos own network and then watch out in 4 years at the nect election. What might be even worse is that he wants his daughter to run at some point

If I were his daughter I would have run a long time ago 

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm still not sure on Biden, but his most recent speaches have been very sensible.  It's quite interesting to see comments that he may not get along with our government but I'm not so sure. Policy wise they are not that far apart (arguably democrats are closer to our Tories than labour).

One thing that strikes me on him reading his history is one common sentence.  Biden later admitted this to be a mistake. That came up a number of times. Is his judgement right?  Hard to tell.  He's certainly done a few suspect things.

But, he can't be any worse than trump can he?

[idler]

Biden admitting a mistake is something that Trump has probably never done in his life so that's an improvement.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Raab again yesterday.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1325368078331416577

Just, beyond words.

[SydneyRover]

beyond words bst but plenty, reams of words but not the 'yes' word

[BillyStubbsTears]

It's times like these that you choose which side of history you are on.

Here's Steve Hilton making his choice.

Hilton, for those who don't know him, was Cameron's Cummings. He was the one who developed the image of Cameron as the one who was detoxifying the Tories. Pivoting them away from being the "Nasty Party."

He's been reinventing himself in the States these past few years as a far-right video shock jock for Trumpists.

I wonder what he ACTUALLY believed? It if he just bends whichever way the right wing wind is blowing.

EDIT: It would probably help if I actually posted the link.

https://twitter.com/realDonaldTrump/status/1325658142592667648

[BillyStubbsTears]

Count up the number of ways in that video that that t**t Hilton deliberately misinforms people.

Here's three massive ones.

1) Saying because Democrats have complained about Trump, that justifies Trump not conceding now. But Clinton conceded the moment it was clear that she had lost the vote in 2016.

2) Saying that because Clinton advised Biden to "not concede under any circumstances" that the Democracts are hypocrites for complaining about Trump nor conceding. But when she said that, she was clearly talking about on the night of the elections, because, as she predicted, Republican states would introduce measures to slow down the counting of absentee ballots. She said that Biden should hold on until all votes were counted. Not that he should hold on after it was clear he had lost.

3) Saying that Trump got the biggest share of Black votes of any Republican candidate for 60 years. But that was from exit poll data. And we know that more people voted by mail or pre-election day that voted on the day. And we know that the absentee votes came massively more from Democrats that Republicans. And we know that Black Americans are massively more supportive of the Democrats than the Republicans.

I just cannot get my head round how t**ts like Hilton look at themselves in the mirror every morning and don't see an evil, lying would-be destroyer of democracy looking back at them. People like him are a cancer in our society. Deliberately choosing to lie to people who are desperate to hear the lies.

[Donnywolf]

.... and now Trump says on Twitter of course :

Since when does the Lamestream Media call who our next president will be? We have all learned a lot in the last two weeks!

[BillyStubbsTears]

Looks like the next step in far right social media disinformation is coming. Now that Twitter has started flagging their lies, there seems to be a stampede if them moving to Parler. I guess we're going to be dealing with them peddling their bullshit for a long time yet. Does make you wonder if democracy is strong enough to survive this.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Well this is interesting.

https://mobile.twitter.com/cspan/status/1326230270421426183

US Secretary of State. Effectively saying he's disregarding their election result.

[BillyStubbsTears]

And here's one of the leading Republican Senators. Just listen to this.

https://mobile.twitter.com/AndrewFeinberg/status/1325991007876509696

Imagine a developing country where a leader clearly and unequivocally loses an election. And refused to accept it. And his party grandees go all in on the election being stolen.

What would we call that?

[SydneyRover]

these super efficient water cooled brains in the trump camp couldn't predict that each state that went blue worked out a way to cheat and prevent it from happenening?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Funny int it? There was only cheating in states where Trump lost narrowly. But the Democrats weren't sharp enough to cheat to win the Senate.

[Bentley Bullet]

Nowt worse than bloody whinging losers who can't accept the fact they lost and in an act of desperation accuse the winners of cheating.

[idler]

Too right BB, I heard Nigel Farage complaining about the Democrats cheating on the Jeremy Vine show.

[Bentley Bullet]

I just hope and pray that that sort of embarrassing behaviour doesn't spread across The Pond to here.

[BillyStubbsTears]

The Republicans will have another chance to address their defeat at the ballot box in four years time.

Remind me what point you are making BB?

[Bentley Bullet]

I thought my point was perfectly straight and to the point BST.

Here's the reminder you requested...

"Nowt worse than bloody whinging losers who can't accept the fact they lost and in an act of desperation accuse the winners of cheating".

[DonnyOsmond]

Just get it over with and have a quick bum you two.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Choose your politicians.

I profoundly disagree with Merkel on policy issues. But in the current climate, THIS is what we want from serious politicians on the very biggest picture. A focus on what really matters and binds us together. Not the lazy f**king stupidity of the divisive culture war.

https://mobile.twitter.com/marceldirsus/status/1325822934502543360