This latest government kerfuffle

[drfchound]

Hound.

If course we don't know for certain. But you draw conclusions on the balance of evidence.

Just like you draw conclusions on all politicians not being as bad as each other on the balance of evidence.

Or you don't. You can just opt out of it by an "all things are unknowable" approach.

BST, do you truly believe that Cummings was running the country and making all the big decisions.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hound.

Yep. On the balance of probability, I do.

Why don't you believe that?

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.

[albie]

Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698

So much for the relaunch planned for this week.

Isn’t that one of those things that can happen though albie.
Not really anyone’s fault is it.

You are right there, Hound!
Lets see how many others have self-isolated, as the infected person was in a meeting with Coco.

Still a break on the relaunch, unless zoom does the job for the minute.
It is an example of Test and Trace working, so that is to the good.

I do wonder about Covid security in Downing Street and the HoC.
Surely they are all tested before even going to work there?

[IDM]

So now Rees Mogg is looking to establish virtual attendance in parliament for Johnson.  Wasn’t JRM the one who insisted MPs had to attend in person, earlier this year.?

f**king hypocrite.  Should resign IMHO.

[Filo]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.

I thought the app didn’t take any details, how does he know that was the person the app is contacting him about. I’m of the opinion he never had it first time around, and that was an attempt to hide away, and I think this is also an attempt to hide away after the latest events at No.10

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm sure it's just a coincidence that the PM who refused to be interviewed by Andrew Neil, and who hid in a fridge rather than face journalists in the 2019 election campaign, now needs to self-isolate for a fortnight because of meeting an infected MP in a COVID-safe work environment, after his inner team imploded in the most acrimonious of circumstances.

I thought the app didn’t take any details, how does he know that was the person the app is contacting him about. I’m of the opinion he never had it first time around, and that was an attempt to hide away, and I think this is also an attempt to hide away after the latest events at No.10

Now THAT is a very good point Filo. TTTI is supposed to be anonymous isn't it?

[idler]

Just another government leak.

[ravenrover]

It's all very convenient again, means he misses PMQT I'm guessing he was in for a roasting from Starmer. Doesn't have to face the media Brexit failure, covid figures, lockdown etc
It all seems too familiar and convenient to last time when he allegedly had it

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hang on.

Why does he have to self-isolate for a fortnight?

He's the f**king PM. In the middle of two national emergencies.

Get him tested every day and if he's clear after a few days, get him back to work.

Back in April when we had a twentieth of the current testing capacity, the children of Govt ministers were being tested because of ministers' importance to the working of Govt. Why is it different now?

[BillyStubbsTears]

This whole Johnson self-isolation claptrap reminds me of what Max Hastings, his old boss at the Telegraph said about him. He listed his faults: lying, infidelity, bombast, laziness, lack of interest in anything but his own career.

Then he nailed it. He said, "Yet his graver vice is cowardice".

And here we are. An acutely embarrassing argument in his own office. His girlfriend apparently calling the shots on getting rid of staff who have regularly insulted her. And Johnson chooses to vanish for a fortnight.

[wilts rover]

Why were the visiting MP's not wearing masks?

Johnson didn't need to because it was his workplace - but it wasn't their's.They were visiting him for a tour (like they have nothimg better to do).

Hands. Face. Space.

[Filo]

Hang on.

Why does he have to self-isolate for a fortnight?

He's the f**king PM. In the middle of two national emergencies.

Get him tested every day and if he's clear after a few days, get him back to work.

Back in April when we had a twentieth of the current testing capacity, the children of Govt ministers were being tested because of ministers' importance to the working of Govt. Why is it different now?

Really?

[BillyStubbsTears]

Why were the visiting MP's not wearing masks?

Johnson didn't need to because it was his workplace - but it wasn't their's.They were visiting him for a tour (like they have nothimg better to do).

Hands. Face. Space.

And Downing Street is a COVID-safe workplace. Looks like someone's not been sticking to the rules.

[IDM]

Was he alerted by the app or being called by the test and trace service.?

Either way, you would expect that the mp who tested positive would have told Johnson anyway, so the anonymity issue isn’t really important here..

Interesting that Johnson is claiming to follow rules after his rule breaker in chief has left.!

[Axholme Lion]

If I get sent home I won't get paid. Will BJ be on £95 per week sick pay?

[IDM]

No because he is working from home.

Can you work from home.?

[scawsby steve]

I'll ask you all the same question I asked previously, that none of you answered. Are the 2 nurses who looked after him, one from New Zealand and the other from Portugal, a pair of liars?

Yes or no?

[Nudga]

Yes.

Edit, either actors or under duress.

[scawsby steve]

Don't you just love conspiracy theories!

[Nudga]

Aye, just like those health passports were a conspiracy.

[BillyStubbsTears]

SS.

I've never doubted that Johnson was ill in April.

But I can't for the life of me see why he has to self isolate for a fortnight now. When, back in April, Gove was able to get a test on his kids so that he didn't have to self-isolate.

Surely you see there is something not smelling right here? Especially from a man who hid in a fridge rather than answer tough questions.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye, just like those health passports were a conspiracy.

Not sure who said they were a conspiracy Nudga. I'd welcome them. Anyone who chooses to exercise their right not to take a vaccine can then be kept on lockdown while the rest of us get on with life.

[Nudga]

Yeah you said, twice already.

[drfchound]

Coco goes back into self-isolation again;
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-politics-54954698

So much for the relaunch planned for this week.

Isn’t that one of those things that can happen though albie.
Not really anyone’s fault is it.

You are right there, Hound!
Lets see how many others have self-isolated, as the infected person was in a meeting with Coco.

Still a break on the relaunch, unless zoom does the job for the minute.
It is an example of Test and Trace working, so that is to the good.

I do wonder about Covid security in Downing Street and the HoC.
Surely they are all tested before even going to work there?

On this evenings news it was said that the other MPs who were present have also had to isolate.
I would think that zoom meetings will allow things to continue.

[Nudga]

Why don't they wear masks in parliament? Or social distance for that matter?,
All that shouting and hot air and bullshit flying around. Not one MP dead. Amazing.

[albie]

That is important, Nudga.

It is clear that they did not need to meet face to face.
They could have worn masks, kept social distance, been in a well ventilated space or routinely tested before entering the premises.

Instead they think they are exceptions....better than the rules for the likes of us!
Anyone with half a brain would think "how does this look", as well as "what is the safest way to act".

That they did not shows that they are unfit to set rules for others.

[BillyStubbsTears]

They don't wear masks for the same reason we don't at work. Because we have social distancing measures. They do do social distancing in Parliament. Watch it on the TV.

Presumably they didn't properly engage in social distancing in Johnson's meeting last week. You'd have to ask him why not.

Several dozen MPs have tested positive. 1% of those who get it typically die, so it's not surprising that none have died. Even if every single one did, AND they had the same age profile as the general population, you'd only expect 7-6 to die of it.

But why focus on such a small group? Why not look at the country as a whole where 4-500 a day are dying of it? Or the world, where getting on for 10,000 a day are dying of it? Or is it all a conspiracy again, with every doctor, nurse, coroner and health administrator in the world all in on it?

[scawsby steve]

SS.

I've never doubted that Johnson was ill in April.

But I can't for the life of me see why he has to self isolate for a fortnight now. When, back in April, Gove was able to get a test on his kids so that he didn't have to self-isolate.

Surely you see there is something not smelling right here? Especially from a man who hid in a fridge rather than answer tough questions.

Yes, I agree with all of that.

[scawsby steve]

They don't wear masks for the same reason we don't at work. Because we have social distancing measures. They do do social distancing in Parliament. Watch it on the TV.

Presumably they didn't properly engage in social distancing in Johnson's meeting last week. You'd have to ask him why not.

Several dozen MPs have tested positive. 1% of those who get it typically die, so it's not surprising that none have died. Even if every single one did, AND they had the same age profile as the general population, you'd only expect 7-6 to die of it.

But why focus on such a small group? Why not look at the country as a whole where 4-500 a day are dying of it? Or the world, where getting on for 10,000 a day are dying of it? Or is it all a conspiracy again, with every doctor, nurse, coroner and health administrator in the world all in on it?

That's the trouble with conspiracy theories; too many people have to be in on it, and not let anything slip.

Look at the moon landings. For that to be a hoax, thousands of NASA employees would have had to be in on it, and keep it a secret for the last 50 years.

It's just not feasible.