Congratulations Jeremy

[scawsby steve]

Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.

From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.

What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.

[IDM]

Total war.?

Or just some individuals holding different opinions..?

Four years is a long time to prepare for the next GE, that is, assuming this government lasts full term..

[Filo]

Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.

From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.

What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.

And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid

[scawsby steve]

Total war.?

Or just some individuals holding different opinions..?

Four years is a long time to prepare for the next GE, that is, assuming this government lasts full term..

Two things IDM. Firstly, that article's not from me, it's from the Independent. Secondly, how can this government not last full term, with an 80 seat majority?

Although, I very much doubt that Johnson will last as leader for the full term.

[scawsby steve]

Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.

From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.

What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.

And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid

I've no idea what a Tory fanboy is Filo, seeing as I've never voted Tory in my life, and never would.

I also don't see what your comment has to do with the Labour Party having internal warfare at the moment.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.

From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.

What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.

And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid

Would that be the Tory hard-Brexit rentagob who was never off the tv regarding Brexit but has been uncharacteristically silent for the past six months?

[drfchound]

Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.

[Filo]

Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.

Following in your esteemed footsteps of whataboutery

[Filo]

Wow. I've just read an article from the Independent that shows a party embroiled in total war.

From what I can gather, there are 3 factions at each other; the Starmer supporters who think both his decisions on Corbin were correct; the Jewish MPs and their supporters who don't think Corbin should have been reinstated to the party; and the left who want the whip restored to him.

What a bloody mess. Starmer's got his work cut out with all this.

And on the other hand there is a Tory MP being investigated for serious sexual allegations, and he’s not even been suspended from the party, and no Tory fanboy bats an eyelid

Would that be the Tory hard-Brexit rentagob who was never off the tv regarding Brexit but has been uncharacteristically silent for the past six months?

Allegedly

[drfchound]

Let’s deflect attention away from the thread subject then.

Following in your esteemed footsteps of whataboutery

I will take that as a compliment, thank you.

[wilts rover]

At least these discussions have given the party  the option of burying the news about Lord Ahmed of Rotherham.

Who left the Labour Party in 2013.

They also appear to have overshadowed the formal complaint made against the Tory MP Michael Fabricant for his remarks today. Which must be why you missed it.

[Bentley Bullet]

If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.

If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.

Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?

I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.

[DonnyOsmond]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

[IDM]

If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.

If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.

Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?

I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.

Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..

[Bentley Bullet]

If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.

If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.

Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?

I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.

Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..

Well, the Labour party does tend to be better at protesting than leading.

[Axholme Lion]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

[BillyStubbsTears]

If the Tory party was a house in the TV programme "Homes Under The Hammer", they'd renovate it. If it was a Labour party house they'd demolish it and start again.

If the Tory party was a house there would be a blue plaque denoting that integrity used to live here, before the 21st century.

Don’t you think Starmer is rebuilding labour.?

I think Starmer's fighting a losing battle. I think Labour voters are far too diverse in their opinions for him to represent a big enough chunk of them to fully support him in his attempts to grab the party by the b*llocks. I think there's even proof of that with the handful of Labour supporters who are regularly active on this forum. If they aren't arguing with non-Labour supporters they are arguing among themselves.

Starmer could do nowt and just let Johnson do his electioneering for him over the next 4 years..

Well, the Labour party does tend to be better at protesting than leading.

Like when it led the world response to the Great Financial Crash 12 years ago while Cameron vanished for 6 months, then came back criticising once the worst of the crisis had been averted?

[Bentley Bullet]

That's exactly like I said! Another prime example of protesting against the government instead of saying how great your own party is.

[Campsall rover]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?

[BillyStubbsTears]

That's exactly like I said! Another prime example of protesting against the government instead of saying how great your own party is.

As non-sequiturs go, that deserves an award. What on earth has that got to do with what I posted?

[wilts rover]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Bar one or two (the reason for identity politics is that people are not being treated the same - see Windrush, How can the fish be ours, they move - thats why we had the Cod Wars cos they moved to Iceland) that's the Labour manifesto in 1945.

You are correct there is no housing shortage. There are over 200 000 empty houses in the UK - that's your problem. People having multiple homes (Rishi Sunak has 12).

[drfchound]

Does Sunak use all 12 houses himself or does he rent some out, therefore providing homes for people to live in.
There is nothing wrong by the way with having multiple houses.
They create income to the government by the way of taxes.

[i_ateallthepies]

Does Sunak use all 12 houses himself or does he rent some out, therefore providing homes for people to live in.
There is nothing wrong by the way with having multiple houses.
They create income to the government by the way of taxes.

That's if your ok with denying hard working ordinary people the chance to get on the housing ladder.

[drfchound]

I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.

[i_ateallthepies]

That doesn't change the point I made, hound.

[Donnywolf]

I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.

It beats me how most of them afford it !

£500 for a Calendar month for a family house - and what if you are not a family but a single person for whatever reason. First £500 straight to the Landlord - good grief thats a huge committment eh ?

No wonder people are Buying to Rent - get good tenants and it beats the pittance most people will be getting on a similar amount of money if its just in a Bank

Good grief how do people find this money month in month out - and its a double whammy I guess as RtBuy people drive up the prices of the housing stock pricing the would be buyers out

[scawsby steve]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?

The railways were far more efficient under nationalisation than they have been under private ownership Campsall. I never had the delays getting into London as I've had with private companies.

[Janso]

ECML was making money before it got privatised again.

[Ldr]

ECML was making money before it got privatised again.

Its not currently privatised

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ldr.

I think the point is that the last two private companies to run ECML have f**ked it up, whereas it was run efficiently and profitably when taken back into public ownership.