Congratulations Jeremy

[Janso]

Ldr.

I think the point is that the last two private companies to run ECML have f**ked it up, whereas it was run efficiently and profitably when taken back into public ownership.

Correct.

[drfchound]

I know plenty of people who only want to rent, rather than buy.
They like to rent a nice house but not have the burden of maintaining it.

It beats me how most of them afford it !

£500 for a Calendar month for a family house - and what if you are not a family but a single person for whatever reason. First £500 straight to the Landlord - good grief thats a huge committment eh ?

No wonder people are Buying to Rent - get good tenants and it beats the pittance most people will be getting on a similar amount of money if its just in a Bank

Good grief how do people find this money month in month out - and its a double whammy I guess as RtBuy people drive up the prices of the housing stock pricing the would be buyers out

If the renters did manage to get a mortgage Wolfie the repayments could well be in excess of £500pcm.
The biggest problem though is putting together the deposit they need to put down.
Renting allows lots of people to live in a home that is better than one they could possibly afford to buy.
They also can move on without the aggravation of having to sell.

[Donnywolf]

Agree but my real question is how they afford it ? It sounds an astronomical amount of money to me especially to those on Zero Hours or even those on minimum wage

They cant all be relying on bank of Mum and Dad can they ?

[Ldr]

Agree but my real question is how they afford it ? It sounds an astronomical amount of money to me especially to those on Zero Hours or even those on minimum wage

They cant all be relying on bank of Mum and Dad can they ?

590 pcm here wolfie, crippling my ability to save a deposit. Mortgage on the same house would be c400 pcm. Though I would have to cover maintenance of the building fabric which I dont currently which considering the roof has needed work and a new heating system i was pleased about in the short term

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ridiculous thing about mortgages is that I could get a 100% mortgage in 1991, when interest rates were >10%. Now, when the actual cost of borrowing for banks is near zero, they are imposing punitive deposit requirements that many people just can't meet.

[IDM]

Money which they then invest or lend out to make more money on, in lieu of receiving higher mortgage interest.

Regardless of comparative affordability, renting is throwing money down the drain..  I agree it is difficult for folks to get onto the housing ladder with high deposits needed and high prices anyway,  but if you can buy, you should..

[tommy toes]

The 3 bed semi next to ours was rented out to a woman who stayed for 7 years.
She paid £550 a month.

She left last year and new people moved in paying £675 a month.

They are now buying their own 4 bed detached on the new estate on Wheatley Hall Road where their mortgage is £600 a month.
(Admittedly they've had to come up with a hefty deposit)

The new tenant of the house next door will be paying £725 a month.
No shortage of viewings either.
It's ridiculous.

[Axholme Lion]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Bar one or two (the reason for identity politics is that people are not being treated the same - see Windrush, How can the fish be ours, they move - thats why we had the Cod Wars cos they moved to Iceland) that's the Labour manifesto in 1945.

You are correct there is no housing shortage. There are over 200 000 empty houses in the UK - that's your problem. People having multiple homes (Rishi Sunak has 12).

I could live a few tweaks to that, a bit of compromise here and there. If as you say that's the 1945 Labour manifesto it didn't do too badly for them did it?
Everyone used to moan about British Rail, but when you look back they did a far better job than the privatised companies.
There is no way that utility companies should be I private hands. These are an essential to the nation and should be owned by us all and run for our collective benefit.
We should leave NATO and stop military involvement with the UN. We should not be interfering with the business of other nations. All it has done is help in growing the likes of IS and acted as a catalyst for terrorist attacks on ourselves.

[EasyforDennis]

It’s good to know that at least one of our two major political parties are not complete laughing stocks.

Still think that today Belton?

[EasyforDennis]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?

Well they certainly aren't working now are they??

[BillyStubbsTears]

Point of fact. The 1945 Attlee Government was one of the founders of NATO. It was, to a great extent, the creation of Ernest Bevin. It was also the 1945 Labour Govt that set up the state of Israel. It was also the 1945 Labour Govt that started the UK nuclear deterrent policy. Those facts are frequently forgotten by the Corbynistas when they paint themselves as heirs to the 1945 Labour party. The foreign policy of the 45 Govt was very, very different to that of the Corbynistas.

[scawsby steve]

Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?

[belton rover]

It’s good to know that at least one of our two major political parties are not complete laughing stocks.

Still think that today Belton?

Easy. If ever a post was misunderstood, it’s this one. By you. I didn’t think I needed to add ‘this is an ironic comment’, but clearly, I did.
I apologise for assuming you’d get it.

[BillyStubbsTears]

No possible argument there SS.

[tyke1962]

Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?

It was the greatest government at the time and did exactly what was needed following WW2 .

There was absolutely not a step back but that Labour government had the balls despite the country virtually bankrupt to borrow and invest in its people .

People knock socialism , but it's a player at the toughest of times as we've seen under the Tories this year , if capitalism solves all problems then what the feck was the chancellor doing with the furlough scheme .

Which stripe sorted the financial crisis in 2008 ? .

Which is why you always need a mixed economy that works for all .

Market led economics couldn't solve either of the above .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Ironic thing is Tyke, the economics that saw us emerge in the 30 years after the War was devised by the lifelong Liberal John Maynard Keynes. He said it was impossible to save your way out of debt and Depression. Govt had to borrow and spend to grow the economy. That worked brilliantly in the post-War years, and Govts of both right and left bought into it.

When that was applied by the Brown Govt in 2008, people on the right called it reckless. When Milliband and Balls proposed it in 2015, the right called it Marxist and the far left called it giving into Austerity. When Corbyn and McDonnell proposed a near-identical economic plan in 2017, the right called it Marxist and the far left called it inspired. Now even Johnson has bought into it, although Sunak seems determined to go back to the failed plan of saving our way out of the recovery from this crisis.

Funny how people view things.

[wilts rover]

Could we all concur that the Atlee Government was the greatest Labour Government ever?

The greatest government ever?

[Campsall rover]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?

Well they certainly aren't working now are they??

Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.

[i_ateallthepies]

Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.

The fact that there's no already wealthy shareholders creaming an easy income from what everybody pays?

[wilts rover]

Both the main parties are in my humble opinion are J Arthur. We need a new party to stand up for the rights of normal working people. Something not in the pay of big business or taken over by the PC cult.

Over 400 registered political parties in the UK but yeah let's add another. Surely the problems the system if at an election only 2 parties ever have a chance.

I personally feel like there's already mainstream parties that look out for the normal working people, but what do you think a new party should be doing and what policies should they promote?

Nationalise all utilities and railways.
Rebuild the armed forces with decent equipment for our defence.
Leave NATO.
Stop other nations robbing our fisheries.
Once and for all stop illegal immigrants and protect our borders.
Encourage and fund new manufacturing industry. Let's start making things again.
Provide a decent pension for OAP's.
Provide decent funding to NHS in return for restructuring and cutting back on wastefulness.
Proper taxation for multinationals.
Stop building houses on green spaces. There is NO housing shortage, just too many people.
Introduce a decent minimum wage.
A minimum holiday entitlement for workers of 25 days.
Stop identity politics and the PC agenda and treat everyone the same.
Start a building programme of nuclear power stations.
Scrap HS2.

That's just for starters...

Axholme Lion for PM.
Agree with most of that but LEAVE NATO. Why would you wish to do that?
I wouldn’t re nationalise the railways or Utilities. It didn’t work before did it?

Well they certainly aren't working now are they??

Can make a case for the railways not working ok.
As for utilities well at least there is competition and people can move to the best offer as & when they wish.
If Gas & Electric were state owned were is the benefit to the consumer going to come from?
Water is a bit different as you have to be with your regional supplier.

If fair competition for utiities worked so well - why do they need a regulator?

In what way didn't they work before? Thatcher and Major didn't flog them off because they weren't working for the consumer - they flogged them off because they WERE working for the consumer. They wanted them to work for the shareholders & Directors.