Christmas B(a)ubbles

[Filo]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

But we are not lumped into those regions, we are Sheffield City Region

[Axholme Lion]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

But we are not lumped into those regions, we are Sheffield City Region

Axholme is lumped in with the soap dodging, inbred tramps from over the Trent in Scunny.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

I’m sure if the government/ BBC  released figures saying the people of Doncaster should all walk backwards ...You wouldn’t even question it, just amble by in your doe eyed ignorance.....I suggest you stop looking and listening to what is fed you....analyse the facts and use a bit of logical processing....

The government hasn’t got anything wrong that it didn’t want to get wrong

I'm part of the study they quote and have been having weekly tests, so I know how honest they are with the results (all of them negative). I really don't see how we can disagree with being in tier 3, it's the right thing to do.

[sha66y]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

I’m sure if the government/ BBC  released figures saying the people of Doncaster should all walk backwards ...You wouldn’t even question it, just amble by in your doe eyed ignorance.....I suggest you stop looking and listening to what is fed you....analyse the facts and use a bit of logical processing....

The government hasn’t got anything wrong that it didn’t want to get wrong

I'm part of the study they quote and have been having weekly tests, so I know how honest they are with the results (all of them negative). I really don't see how we can disagree with being in tier 3, it's the right thing to do.

No it is not the right thing to do....!

How can allowing 3 different households who have by all accounts been to the shops and caught the virus by passive means congregate over Xmas, also students being allowed to cross our nation undoubtedly for educational reasons is ridiculous....

Does this chuffin virus take a few days off over Xmas...????

please enlighten me to the logic behind these decisions ...preferably your logic not something you listened to off the bbc !

[Axholme Lion]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

I’m sure if the government/ BBC  released figures saying the people of Doncaster should all walk backwards ...You wouldn’t even question it, just amble by in your doe eyed ignorance.....I suggest you stop looking and listening to what is fed you....analyse the facts and use a bit of logical processing....

The government hasn’t got anything wrong that it didn’t want to get wrong

I'm part of the study they quote and have been having weekly tests, so I know how honest they are with the results (all of them negative). I really don't see how we can disagree with being in tier 3, it's the right thing to do.

No it is not the right thing to do....!

How can allowing 3 different households who have by all accounts been to the shops and caught the virus by passive means congregate over Xmas, also students being allowed to cross our nation undoubtedly for educational reasons is ridiculous....

Does this chuffin virus take a few days off over Xmas...????

please enlighten me to the logic behind these decisions ...preferably your logic not something you listened to off the bbc !

There is no logic, they're making it up as they go along.
They realised that the first lockdown was a total waste of time, as lockdowns only kick the can down the road, but they keep spinning us the same line as they daren't admit that they have screwed over the economy for decades to come for no valid reason. They have scared the pants off half of the population that much that they dare not go out of the house with the over the top predictions of doom from SAGE, the rest of us are left scratching a living all because they will not admit they got it wrong and refuse to change direction.

[rich1471]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

I’m sure if the government/ BBC  released figures saying the people of Doncaster should all walk backwards ...You wouldn’t even question it, just amble by in your doe eyed ignorance.....I suggest you stop looking and listening to what is fed you....analyse the facts and use a bit of logical processing....

The government hasn’t got anything wrong that it didn’t want to get wrong

I'm part of the study they quote and have been having weekly tests, so I know how honest they are with the results (all of them negative). I really don't see how we can disagree with being in tier 3, it's the right thing to do.

No it is not the right thing to do....!

How can allowing 3 different households who have by all accounts been to the shops and caught the virus by passive means congregate over Xmas, also students being allowed to cross our nation undoubtedly for educational reasons is ridiculous....

Does this chuffin virus take a few days off over Xmas...????

please enlighten me to the logic behind these decisions ...preferably your logic not something you listened to off the bbc !

Just had to do my shopping and some woman said to her partner don't forget their is 9 adults coming for Christmas dinner and that is not including the kids

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I think the point is to give people a break.to try and give some flex at a time when rules would be broken anyway.  I'm not sure i would change it for Christmas but given half the population won't listen anyway....

[Axholme Lion]

Tier 3 it is then, along with most of Northern England, Tier 2 for most of Southern England

You mean Tier 3 for Red wall and Labour constituencies and Tier 2 for safe Tory constituencies?

Why does everything on here have to be political, left v right. Don't take things so personal, let go of the anger, you'll feel much better for it.

Because this shower of shit make it political

Except they haven't.

Below comment from the BBC article on the latest figures;

The areas with the highest number of people infected per head of population are Yorkshire and the Humber, the North West and North East.

No surprise we have the highest restrictions then is it?

I’m sure if the government/ BBC  released figures saying the people of Doncaster should all walk backwards ...You wouldn’t even question it, just amble by in your doe eyed ignorance.....I suggest you stop looking and listening to what is fed you....analyse the facts and use a bit of logical processing....

The government hasn’t got anything wrong that it didn’t want to get wrong

I'm part of the study they quote and have been having weekly tests, so I know how honest they are with the results (all of them negative). I really don't see how we can disagree with being in tier 3, it's the right thing to do.

No it is not the right thing to do....!

How can allowing 3 different households who have by all accounts been to the shops and caught the virus by passive means congregate over Xmas, also students being allowed to cross our nation undoubtedly for educational reasons is ridiculous....

Does this chuffin virus take a few days off over Xmas...????

please enlighten me to the logic behind these decisions ...preferably your logic not something you listened to off the bbc !

Just had to do my shopping and some woman said to her partner don't forget their is 9 adults coming for Christmas dinner and that is not including the kids

I wouldn't want that lot ruining my furniture and carpets.

[IDM]

Could easily be 3 households especially if each has a further adult in a support bubble..

[Axholme Lion]

Could easily be 3 households especially if each has a further adult in a support bubble..

I thought it was just three households regardless of support bubbles?

[ravenrover]

If we disagree we are not allowed to argue the case here.?

This virus is a killer especially if unchecked.. many, maybe most who get it won’t be badly affected or won’t even know.  Without controls it spreads silently so that eventually it gets to the more vulnerable even if millions of folks would be ok..

Yes the government is to blame for mismanagement and for imposing confusing rules,  but do you think if they had acted sooner and more strictly, we would have been in a better place by now.?

Firstly all Governments lie !
I would have liked to know why the origins of this virus were never fully investigated.....I guess that’s old news that just became unimportant and did it’s job..

There are many viral engineers who are not allowed to speak out on the government controlled social media platforms that would give damning evidence against the governments way this is handled....

If this was a REAL pandemic , and I mean a really real virus that can be spread so easily and is utterly contagious......why are we being allowed to sacrifice our health for a few days over Xmas ???
What crazy decision says

 “ there ya go public, mix in your groups and spread the virus everywhere, and we’ll pick up we’re we left off in the new year”....

IF this was a serious hazard to our health ....the government would tell everyone to down tools, shut everything , and stay in your homes for a period of time that would curtail the spread.....

Im sure you have scratched your head at some of the baffling bollox spewing from the mouths of those in charge ...... that’s your rationale telling you something is very wrong with the information.....

I'm quite sure that the families of 1.42m world wide would disagree that it is not a pandemic

[rich1471]

Could easily be 3 households especially if each has a further adult in a support bubble..

I thought it was just three households regardless of support bubbles?

no your support bubble is not included so in realty 4 families can meet up at Christmas , you and your support bubble count as 1 and then  2 more families   

[Axholme Lion]

Could easily be 3 households especially if each has a further adult in a support bubble..

I thought it was just three households regardless of support bubbles?

no your support bubble is not included so in realty 4 families can meet up at Christmas , you and your support bubble count as 1 and then  2 more families

What if the other two families have support bubbles as well?

[IDM]

That’s how I see it, each of three “households” can qualify for a support bubble so in theory you get 6 households.  Also I haven’t seen any limit on numbers of people, so you could in theory have 3 big multi generation family households say 6-7 people, each with a support bubble of a single parent with several (3-4) kids.  You could legally see groups of 30+ however unlikely.

There will undoubtedly be many illegal Christmas gatherings of more than 3 households anyway.

[EasyforDennis]

And doesn't all of the above show what an absolute shit show this excuse for a government are making of this. You can ask 6 people and they all have a different interpretation of the rules.

[Axholme Lion]

That’s how I see it, each of three “households” can qualify for a support bubble so in theory you get 6 households.  Also I haven’t seen any limit on numbers of people, so you could in theory have 3 big multi generation family households say 6-7 people, each with a support bubble of a single parent with several (3-4) kids.  You could legally see groups of 30+ however unlikely.

There will undoubtedly be many illegal Christmas gatherings of more than 3 households anyway.

I'm pretty sure someone in a bubble counts as a separate household. That's how I heard it on the radio this morning, but then again I may be wrong...

[Filo]

The crap thing about this for any Tier 3 area is, if on the 16th December we’ve been good boys and girls we may move to Tier 2, then on the 23rd I think Country wide restrictions will be lifted for 5 days, after that back to the Tier restrictions, so after Doncaster being in Tier 3 for a month and then lockdown for a month, why might get a window of increased infections that will no doubt leave us in Tier 3 again in January and possibly February, which is unacceptable when places like London can spread the virus in their relaxed restrictions

[IDM]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/explainers-55056375

“In England if you have formed a support bubble with another household, that counts as one household, so you can join with two other households in a Christmas bubble.“

That doesn’t say the other two households can’t have their support bubble too.?  I think for the definition of the Christmas relaxations, the term “household” includes existing support bubbles..

[EasyforDennis]

Ha ha

[BillyStubbsTears]

There are times that the nasty bas**rd in me wishes I could pop into that alternative universe where we'd just let the virus rip. And I could take a few particular people with me and let them see what happens when you get 60% of the population infected in a month, by a disease with a 1% once ruin fatality rate.

But we don't have access to that universe. We live in this one, where people are shielded from their own stupidity.

[turnbull for england]

My mum and dad ,mid 70s fair health rang on Sunday to say no matter what gets said today  it will be Christmas doorstep visits and nothing more,. They haven't done all this to chuck it away now over a bit of dinner and Tele.  Bit of luck we are last  push and  if we can just keep it going this will become something to tell the grandkids about

[drfchound]

Like I said I meet my dad and brother to watch football I'm not ashamed of that , I go to work when I'm not furloughed as I work in in restaurants, only been to a pub once since march , I will not be meeting people at Christmas, but their is nothing stopping people travelling out of tier 3 into tier 2 and having a meal and drink in a pub they have never been in before , so we will have another lockdown in January as the rules make no sense as all the shops will be open from Wednesday again and people will go out and it will be crazy in the shops

For me, we should stay in lockdown over Christmas.
I don’t think anyone is expecting the infection rate NOT to increase in January after everyone has met up with family at Christmas.
People should be sensible enough not to travel from tier three areas to tier two or one areas to go for a meal but I suppose they will blame someone else when the infection rate rockets in January.

[sha66y]

There are times that the nasty bas**rd in me wishes I could pop into that alternative universe where we'd just let the virus rip. And I could take a few particular people with me and let them see what happens when you get 60% of the population infected in a month, by a disease with a 1% once ruin fatality rate.

But we don't have access to that universe. We live in this one, where people are shielded from their own stupidity.

How do you know that 100% are not infected,  these tests are not conclusive ...just the results whether made up or not go forward to the government controlled ONS and they are reeled out to the gullibles to give credibility to the whole charade.....

BST .... if any of these restrictions and subsequent relaxations make any sense at all, please explain the logic...( without resorting to media fed stats)

 

[sha66y]

If we disagree we are not allowed to argue the case here.?

This virus is a killer especially if unchecked.. many, maybe most who get it won’t be badly affected or won’t even know.  Without controls it spreads silently so that eventually it gets to the more vulnerable even if millions of folks would be ok..

Yes the government is to blame for mismanagement and for imposing confusing rules,  but do you think if they had acted sooner and more strictly, we would have been in a better place by now.?

Firstly all Governments lie !
I would have liked to know why the origins of this virus were never fully investigated.....I guess that’s old news that just became unimportant and did it’s job..

There are many viral engineers who are not allowed to speak out on the government controlled social media platforms that would give damning evidence against the governments way this is handled....

If this was a REAL pandemic , and I mean a really real virus that can be spread so easily and is utterly contagious......why are we being allowed to sacrifice our health for a few days over Xmas ???
What crazy decision says

 “ there ya go public, mix in your groups and spread the virus everywhere, and we’ll pick up we’re we left off in the new year”....

IF this was a serious hazard to our health ....the government would tell everyone to down tools, shut everything , and stay in your homes for a period of time that would curtail the spread.....

Im sure you have scratched your head at some of the baffling bollox spewing from the mouths of those in charge ...... that’s your rationale telling you something is very wrong with the information.....

I'm quite sure that the families of 1.42m world wide would disagree that it is not a pandemic

And those figures came from what source, and what other illnesses are you using as a comparable?

To just throw out a figure randomly is poor research..... the great debate as to whether covid kills or attacks the already weak and hastens death is not conclusive....

There are probably millions more than that who will die of non covid related causes , due to the lack of treatment because of it.....

[ravenrover]

No comparison to any other illness
Take your pick from any statistical site  regarding the figures
If you wish to bury your head thats fine, I do hope that you  or any of your loved ones are not unlucky enough to contract the illness