The 6 second GK law!

[Alickismyhero]

Has the law changed?

Why the Shrews GK got away with holding the ball for 10 seconds I certainly don't know. If my memory serves me well the Ref should have awarded an indirect freekick. I think the GK committed the offence 4 times.

I have just seen him hold the ball for 13 seconds and still not even warned.

[Chris Black come back]

He'd have been quicker with the ball if we had put it past him, but we never really looked like doing that.

[Campsall rover]

Has the law changed?

Why the Shrews GK got away with holding the ball for 10 seconds I certainly don't know. If my memory serves me well the Ref should have awarded an indirect freekick. I think the GK committed the offence 4 times.

I have just seen him hold the ball for 13 seconds and still not even warned.

Has that law changed because Keepers are holding on to the ball well over 10 secs.

How can there only be 4 mins added time with 5 subs and time wasting at every Shrewsbury goal kick, free kick & corner.
Are the refs deliberately oblivious to it or are they simply incompetent?

[Alickismyhero]

Camps,
I was refereeing games up to 12 years ago and that law I enforced.

I admit thats a long time ago and the law may have changed.

I am sure there will be a young ref out there who could put me right.

[Donnywolf]

Im back (not that I ever left) to the subject of a fixed 30 minutes for each half and the clock stops every time the ball goes out

Ben Whiteman had that shot and I think it went out at 70:00 and they showed the Replay of it, a few of my holiday videos and drew the National Lottery Numbers and were still in time to see the Keeper kick it back into play at 70:46 ffs

They were time wasting from the 3rd minute and in the 2nd half were taking longer and longer for throw ins - up to 30 seconds a time.

Its so bloody frustrating - surely the games rule makers must see what players are doing. Sure it wouldnt stop Keepers holding onto the ball but the Refs could start timing that - and it wouldnt stop them going to the corner flag to kill time but you could then at least boot the ball out our foul them  knowing the clock had stopped even if the player rolled all over the floor for 5 minutes. It simply would not matter and no disputing added time again EVER

We still wouldnt have scored tonight though with 40 minutes each way UNLESS FO was actually onside when he scored

[Rovers91]

They all do it, we would do it if we were in that position but it is just frustrating when it's the opposition doing it.

[ian1980]

Camps,
I was refereeing games up to 12 years ago and that law I enforced.

I admit thats a long time ago and the law may have changed.

I am sure there will be a young ref out there who could put me right.

The rule hasn’t changed:

“An indirect free kick is awarded if a goalkeeper, inside their penalty area, commits any of the following offences:
   •   controls the ball with the hand/arm for more than six seconds before releasing it”

Taken directly from the IFAB

Not sure I’d be classed as a “young ref” though

[PDX_Rover]

The referee was naive at best.

[Alickismyhero]

They all do it, we would do it if we were in that position but it is just frustrating when it's the opposition doing it.

I accept that time wasting is part of the game like running the ball in the corner, frustrating but legal. When it comes to the GK holding the ball over 6 seconds, if it is the law, then I would have thought the ref could have sorted it out with a verbal warning but he never.

[RoversAlias]

The only time I ever remember it being enforced was against Simon Mignolet for Liverpool in a Champions League game. He held the ball in his hands for fully 18 seconds and the referee gave an indirect free kick. I can't remember if the opposition scored from it.

[Chris Black come back]

We barely tested the guy all game. Can't blame him for wanting to reaquaint himself with the ball now and again.

[TheFunk]

I think the ref touched the ball more than their keeper he was constantly in the way. He looked like a Sunday league ref who just stays in the centre of the pitch.

[Alickismyhero]

Thank you Ian but at 70 I would consider you a young well informed supporter.

I am not bitter about the result.

It was a very tired performance for me by our boys and the better team won.

[Donnywolf]

I think the ref touched the ball more than their keeper he was constantly in the way. He looked like a Sunday league ref who just stays in the centre of the pitch.

... and fell down - and did you see him sprinting once or twice as he got caught out by counter attacks (would have been theirs probably)

[Milepostuk]

I checked during the game and believe it or not the law was "never intended to be strictly enforced". It's up to the referees discretion if the keeper is looking to seek any advantage by holding it longer. Clearly this idiot didn't!

[Donnywolf]

Its all hugely frustrating made worse when someone posted elsewhere when your Team are the recipients. Keepers catching like this one did last night a ball falling from the sky with no pace on it whatsoever who then does "a Sullivan" and dives to the floor - rubs his shoulder and gets up eventually before taking as much time as possible

Not for the first second or last time I say I just wish that we went to a Game Clock and it would solve most of the s**t we have to put up with each and every game

Anyone recall after 3 minutes we were awarded a Free kick just outside area SW corner. Anderson went to get the ball and their bloke toe pokes it another 10 yards away. Sly b*****d and Ref who did nowt all night did nowt. However the clock would have stopped when the offence happened and the little s**t could have kicked it out of the Ground and it just would not matter except I concede it would still take pressure off the Team who might be struggling as Shrews were at that point

[roversdude]

You can add to that kicking it out of hands outside the area, this is one of my pet things since seeing it enforced on (I think) Kim Booker. Neither the ref or linesman even look at this both face away

[roversdude]

Its all hugely frustrating made worse when someone posted elsewhere when your Team are the recipients. Keepers catching like this one did last night a ball falling from the sky with no pace on it whatsoever who then does "a Sullivan" and dives to the floor - rubs his shoulder and gets up eventually before taking as much time as possible

Not for the first second or last time I say I just wish that we went to a Game Clock and it would solve most of the s**t we have to put up with each and every game

Anyone recall after 3 minutes we were awarded a Free kick just outside area SW corner. Anderson went to get the ball and their bloke toe pokes it another 10 yards away. Sly b*****d and Ref who did nowt all night did nowt. However the clock would have stopped when the offence happened and the little s**t could have kicked it out of the Ground and it just would not matter except I concede it would still take pressure off the Team who might be struggling as Shrews were at that point

I commented at the time to young un - their guy actually ran over to it from about 10 yards away to toe poke it away

[phil o sophical]

I think we've been here before regarding a game clock DW, couldn't agree more. There's a difference between game management when you're leading and blatant time wasting. As mentioned in previous replys,  opposition players kicking the ball away and sprinting half way across the pitch to stand in front of the ball to stop a quick free kick. I'd love to see Nigel Owens referee a football match, there'd be nobody left on the pitch.

[graingrover]

Their goalie went to our local British school of Brussels ..and his  twin brother ,coached by my son in law .Both are on Premiership books .
https://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/european/oliver-matija-sarkic-montenegro-u21s-fighting-get-european-championship-a7980711.html

[ravenrover]

Regarding time wasting by a keeper we had the master a few years ago, Sulli.
Regarding kicking outside the box, the keepers have got cute about this they release the ball at the very edge of the box and end up actually kicking it about a yard outside the box

[Filo]

Add i to the mix foul throws, every long throw Carlisle did in the cup game was a foul throw

[Spud]

Regarding time wasting by a keeper we had the master a few years ago, Sulli.
Regarding kicking outside the box, the keepers have got cute about this they release the ball at the very edge of the box and end up actually kicking it about a yard outside the box

This is legal though isn't it? As long as it's not handled outside the box, surely.

[Donnywolf]

Perfectly legal - and a good tactic - and a bonus is its so hard to detect for the Lino

To be fair judging Offside is similar s the Lino has to be watching along the line yet see also the instant a player plays the ball forwards and try to coordinate the 2

[RoversAlias]

I think it's time to do away with throw-ins as well as implementing a 60 minute game clock. It isn't nearly as much of an advantage to a team throwing the ball in usually to chest or head height than it would be having a player to pass on the ground to with opponents ten yards away. Look how we conceded against Gillingham, a classic "throw it down the linenand hope to win it" headed to a Gills player and one pass later it was in the back of the net. Barely any skill from the scoring team and not much chance to defend it for the throwing team.

I think Arsene Wenger mentioned it as one of his ideas to change the game and I think he's right.

[Alickismyhero]

FYI,
I have requested an explanation from the Referees Association on some of the points made above. The last time I made an enquiry it was "Why did Mr Oliver give the penalty to Brentford" Mr Oliver, to his credit, within 3 days responded, lets see what happens.

[roversdude]

Perfectly legal - and a good tactic - and a bonus is its so hard to detect for the Lino

To be fair judging Offside is similar s the Lino has to be watching along the line yet see also the instant a player plays the ball forwards and try to coordinate the 2

That’s my point it’s just not monitored by the officials

[donnievic]

Add i to the mix foul throws, every long throw Carlisle did in the cup game was a foul throw

why was every throw Carlisle did a foul throw

[Spud]

Perfectly legal - and a good tactic - and a bonus is its so hard to detect for the Lino

To be fair judging Offside is similar s the Lino has to be watching along the line yet see also the instant a player plays the ball forwards and try to coordinate the 2

I agree, running the line is a harder job than reffing for the reason you state, especially at amateur & junior level where half the morons behind you don't even know the rules lol, but their player definitely wasn't offside (when they received it in any case). Had some fun & games with that one

[RugbyRover]

I think it's time to do away with throw-ins as well as implementing a 60 minute game clock. It isn't nearly as much of an advantage to a team throwing the ball in usually to chest or head height than it would be having a player to pass on the ground to with opponents ten yards away. Look how we conceded against Gillingham, a classic "throw it down the linenand hope to win it" headed to a Gills player and one pass later it was in the back of the net. Barely any skill from the scoring team and not much chance to defend it for the throwing team.

I think Arsene Wenger mentioned it as one of his ideas to change the game and I think he's right.

That's an interesting idea. So a throw in would become basically a free kick?

Wouldn't that just allow some teams, we know who they are, to launch bombs into the opponents box?

more "anti football"?