Darren Moore on transfer business

[Move DRFC]

Who's this glorified scout actually identified since joining?

Our summer recruitment was really good. Richards, Smith, Sims, John-Jules, John, Bursik (now Stoke no 1). Not sure why AH gets stick. Maybe we can sack him and go back to signing Bingham and Thomas.

[Chris Black come back]

Bursik did not really prove himself if we are honest, although Lumley was a good signing. The latest lad appears decent as well.

[Michael Gibson]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

[silent majority]

What happened to any money generated by the football club will be invested into the playing squad

Nothings changed.

As I've posted elsewhere DM is not the media expert that he thinks he is. For an accurate picture of the situation then Gavin is the man to speak to. I spoke with him this morning and he hasn't ruled anything in or out, it depends on what AH can present to the board. What I do know is we won't be telling people how much money we have in the bank!

Don't rush to judgement based on that.

Are you saying that AH chooses the players and presents a case to Board. Is DM involved in these decisions?

Well, AH definitely chooses the players, no doubt about that. He's also the one with great contacts at other clubs which has given us the great loan deals we've seen this season. The list of players is presented to DM and then at the recruitment meetings a decision is made as to which ones GB needs to speak to. Him and DB will finalise the deals.

[silent majority]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

The club have stated?

Have they?

I know the manager has made a few comments but I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

[rich1471]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

try paying wages and running the club in general, with no crowds were else is the income going to come from on the scale we need are some people so stupid they actually think money grows on trees   

[sha66y]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

I do hope all the money gleaned from whichever source is given back to the Chairman as a gesture of goodwill from the Doncaster fans and management....it’s their club at the end of the day...

You need to take a deep breath and enjoy what you cannot change or influence.....

[sha66y]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

try paying wages and running the club in general, with no crowds were else is the income going to come from on the scale we need are some people so stupid they actually think money grows on trees   

Unfortunately Michael and a few others actually live in la la land, where everything they say,think, or type carries substance......it doesn’t!
It’s just another opinion based upon an irrational personality disorder.....

But like the rest of the DRFC family.....they are loved nonetheless

[steve@dcfd]

AH choose the players we would like and DM is consulted  a case is then put to GB and the board. Therefore the business side and finances is decided from there. We all know what Covid has done to finances for all clubs so we would like players to come in and I still hold the hope we get one or two more players in before the end transfer window.
Also players that are out of contract will want to know if they will have a contract next season, which again because of Covid and where we will be next season will have problems sorting the budget. So we all hope we can keep up our challenge for the playoffs if not the top two but we have lost players we had before Christmas and some others are injured.

[silent majority]

AH choose the players we would like and DM is consulted  a case is then put to GB and the board. Therefore the business side and finances is decided from there. We all know what Covid has done to finances for all clubs so we would like players to come in and I still hold the hope we get one or two more players in before the end transfer window.
Also players that are out of contract will want to know if they will have a contract next season, which again because of Covid and where we will be next season will have problems sorting the budget. So we all hope we can keep up our challenge for the playoffs if not the top two but we have lost players we had before Christmas and some others are injured.

AH has already done his work, there's a recruitment meeting planned for early next week I believe.

[Chris Black come back]

I think the central point here is that someone needs to tell Darren that whenever a question arises about transfers or contracts, he just has a line that says we’ve done well to date and are always working hard to get good players in to the club, and Gavin can tell you more about the financial situation. Get him to focus on managing as the amount of confusion his comments cause is not worth the benefit of him trying to be helpful.

[ian1980]

Given the present climate I’m not surprised the club isn’t paying out transfer fees and wanting to be cautious etc, with next to no money coming in and a lot of expenses every month.

Just thinking over that, and this is just my rough guesses but it gives the idea:

Average player weekly wage £2,000 (I’m guessing there’ll be some higher and some lower)
£2,000 X 20 players = £40,000 per week
£40,000 x 4 weeks = £160,000 per month

That’s £160,000 per month just on player wages.

Add onto that the club staff, no idea but DM plus coach’s, accounts and commercial team members etc, say another £20,000-£30,000

Then there’s the stadium running and maintenance costs.

So I don’t think I’d be too far out with £200-250k per month in costs going out and next to nothing coming back in. It’s already been like that for months and I suspect it’ll be like that for months to come.

Obviously it’s a worry for us and hopefully we’ll get through it with a club to support but then you have to look at some of the other clubs and the wages they have and that must be really frightening.

[Filo]

Given the present climate I’m not surprised the club isn’t paying out transfer fees and wanting to be cautious etc, with next to no money coming in and a lot of expenses every month.

Just thinking over that, and this is just my rough guesses but it gives the idea:

Average player weekly wage £2,000 (I’m guessing there’ll be some higher and some lower)
£2,000 X 20 players = £40,000 per week
£40,000 x 4 weeks = £160,000 per month

That’s £160,000 per month just on player wages.

Add onto that the club staff, no idea but DM plus coach’s, accounts and commercial team members etc, say another £20,000-£30,000

Then there’s the stadium running and maintenance costs.

So I don’t think I’d be too far out with £200-250k per month in costs going out and next to nothing coming back in. It’s already been like that for months and I suspect it’ll be like that for months to come.

Obviously it’s a worry for us and hopefully we’ll get through it with a club to support but then you have to look at some of the other clubs and the wages they have and that must be really frightening.

It’s £173k a month using your figures, there are more than 4 weeks in 11 months of the year

[Michael Shaw]

I can accept these are hard times and that without 7,000 fans at the Keepmoat there is a shortage of cash for all clubs in the EFL, and Rovers are no exception. I suspect the club will be looking for free transfers to bring in.

So how about someone like Matt O'Riley who was once courted by some big clubs? He left Fulham in search of regular football but so far has not found a club. He must be good if Fulham signed him. We could sign him for 6 months if he doesn't get a better deal.

[ian1980]

Given the present climate I’m not surprised the club isn’t paying out transfer fees and wanting to be cautious etc, with next to no money coming in and a lot of expenses every month.

Just thinking over that, and this is just my rough guesses but it gives the idea:

Average player weekly wage £2,000 (I’m guessing there’ll be some higher and some lower)
£2,000 X 20 players = £40,000 per week
£40,000 x 4 weeks = £160,000 per month

That’s £160,000 per month just on player wages.

Add onto that the club staff, no idea but DM plus coach’s, accounts and commercial team members etc, say another £20,000-£30,000

Then there’s the stadium running and maintenance costs.

So I don’t think I’d be too far out with £200-250k per month in costs going out and next to nothing coming back in. It’s already been like that for months and I suspect it’ll be like that for months to come.

Obviously it’s a worry for us and hopefully we’ll get through it with a club to support but then you have to look at some of the other clubs and the wages they have and that must be really frightening.

It’s £173k a month using your figures, there are more than 4 weeks in 11 months of the year

Well that’s even worse then and pushes it closer to the £250k overall costs per month. So roughly £3m for the year.

If nothing changes, I’m guessing that’ll keep landing in TB’s lap to fund.

[Jonathan]

I think the central point here is that someone needs to tell Darren that whenever a question arises about transfers or contracts, he just has a line that says we’ve done well to date and are always working hard to get good players in to the club, and Gavin can tell you more about the financial situation. Get him to focus on managing as the amount of confusion his comments cause is not worth the benefit of him trying to be helpful.

Perhaps he can take a leaf out of Matt Hancock’s book and just answer the question by saying “I’m glad” repeatedly.

[tonybuk86]

I don't think Darren Moore has the money to buy anyone as a replacement, I think the money from Ben goes straight to the club to keep it afloat.
I would love us to sign a replacement, but having ago at DM for this is not right.

What ever we got for Ben does help the club stay afloat for alittle bit longer..

[Michael Shaw]

The club often loses money even in an average year so it must be far worse this year with no gate money. We had John Ryan, Dick Watson and Terry Bramall to bale us out, but that's getting thinner these days. If the money from Ben Whiteman keeps the wolves from the door, well so be it. And look at it from Whiteman's position he is a consummate professional who deserve a chance in the upper league. Who realistically would turn down that opportunity if it was offered to us as footballers?

[EasyforDennis]

I think the central point here is that someone needs to tell Darren that whenever a question arises about transfers or contracts, he just has a line that says we’ve done well to date and are always working hard to get good players in to the club, and Gavin can tell you more about the financial situation. Get him to focus on managing as the amount of confusion his comments cause is not worth the benefit of him trying to be helpful.

Perhaps he can take a leaf out of Matt Hancock’s book and just answer the question by saying “I’m glad” repeatedly.

Are you forgetting the "Thats an excellent question"

[Jonathan]

I think the central point here is that someone needs to tell Darren that whenever a question arises about transfers or contracts, he just has a line that says we’ve done well to date and are always working hard to get good players in to the club, and Gavin can tell you more about the financial situation. Get him to focus on managing as the amount of confusion his comments cause is not worth the benefit of him trying to be helpful.

Perhaps he can take a leaf out of Matt Hancock’s book and just answer the question by saying “I’m glad” repeatedly.

Are you forgetting the "Thats an excellent question"

I’m glad.

[RugbyRover]

Maybe it's time for DM to take a break from the media interviews?

Pass the mic over to the assistant manager for a bit. Would be good to hear more from him, don't think I've heard anything about / from him?

Good luck to whoever has to tell DM about that move though 

[godlike1]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

The club have stated?

Have they?

I know the manager has made a few comments but I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

I do hope and imagine your feeding some of this back in a constructive way Martin. They need to learn from the way it makes the club look to fans.

I know some shoot from the hip...............;-) ahem but its because we want the best and to know the club are doing what they can with what they have.

Comments from others over and above me need taking note of because unhappy customers will affect the bottom line. Not something I'm sure any of us want

[selby]

  Everyone is forgetting the salary cap, designed to make teams sustainable, resulting in apart from a few players having to accept lower wages, I listened to Warne the Rotherham manager on radio dee dah saying he was finding it difficult to get players out on loan because sides were unwilling to pay very much of a players wages during a loan period.
  So clubs like them with mostly signed players of their own are not only missing out on gate money but another money stream in the loan market from lower division clubs who in the past have paid for the development of especially younger players on the fringe of the first team.

[wilts rover]

If anyone things that the main motivation for Darren Moore as a manager is, 'how much money have I got to spend' they have never read anything by him - or about him.

[selby]

  Michael, who has strengthened?

[silent majority]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

The club have stated?

Have they?

I know the manager has made a few comments but I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

I do hope and imagine your feeding some of this back in a constructive way Martin. They need to learn from the way it makes the club look to fans.

I know some shoot from the hip...............;-) ahem but its because we want the best and to know the club are doing what they can with what they have.

Comments from others over and above me need taking note of because unhappy customers will affect the bottom line. Not something I'm sure any of us want

I've spoken to Gavin every single day this week, plus a couple of further conversations with Shaun.

I ask exactly the same questions you guys do, how much did we get for Ben, what are we doing with that money, what's the recruitment situation? etc etc. I give the supporters side of it every time.

And that enables me to post on here of what is happening at the club, it's just disappointing that some supporters don't take my posts at face value.

[VikingRich]

SM - you do a great job (as do the management at the club). I appreciate your balanced and open input on the forum.

[Draytonian III]

I can accept these are hard times and that without 7,000 fans at the Keepmoat there is a shortage of cash for all clubs in the EFL, and Rovers are no exception. I suspect the club will be looking for free transfers to bring in.

So how about someone like Matt O'Riley who was once courted by some big clubs? He left Fulham in search of regular football but so far has not found a club. He must be good if Fulham signed him. We could sign him for 6 months if he doesn't get a better deal.

Matt O Riley, how come he springs to mind

[Chris Black come back]

You don't get bargins in the January transfer window - more over paying for players. It certainly makees financial sense to wait for the June window to bring players in on a fee. Although I doubt that any doubtful supporter is going to be swayed by sound financial sense.

I think that is largely true, yes Wilts...although we did sign Whiteman permanently in the January 2018 window.

[Spud]

So in the last two days the club have stated no players will be bought and no contracts extended..... so where’s this money and the fa cup money and Covid fund from premier league all going??? Absolutely no ambition whatsoever and selling white an for 1.5 or near too is a joke.

The club have stated?

Have they?

I know the manager has made a few comments but I'd take that with a pinch of salt.

I do hope and imagine your feeding some of this back in a constructive way Martin. They need to learn from the way it makes the club look to fans.

I know some shoot from the hip...............;-) ahem but its because we want the best and to know the club are doing what they can with what they have.

Comments from others over and above me need taking note of because unhappy customers will affect the bottom line. Not something I'm sure any of us want

I've spoken to Gavin every single day this week, plus a couple of further conversations with Shaun.

I ask exactly the same questions you guys do, how much did we get for Ben, what are we doing with that money, what's the recruitment situation? etc etc. I give the supporters side of it every time.

And that enables me to post on here of what is happening at the club, it's just disappointing that some supporters don't take my posts at face value.

Always great to read your posts, as close to the horse's mouth as it gets. Am sure most of us appreciate the time you put in.