An electric vehicle that looks like the future

[ravenrover]

Can you imagine it, orderly queues still waiting to charge their car at 2.00am with work next morning

[normal rules]

Can you imagine it, orderly queues still waiting to charge their car at 2.00am with work next morning

a whole new reason not to turn up for work.
power cut.

[RobTheRover]

Can you imagine it, orderly queues still waiting to charge their car at 2.00am with work next morning

a whole new reason not to turn up for work.
power cut.

Or just work from home. Difficult if you are a Postie or something, mind.

To answer ncRover's point about people with no off-street parking, local authorities have been looking at feasibility of strategically placed "park and charge" facilities. I did some work with a local authority in Somerset on mapping where to locate facilities for maximum coverage within 10 mins walk in areas with little off-Street parking. The number of properties the coverage maps identified was massive.

[Metalmicky]

Not sure if this has been posted...

https://futurism.com/the-byte/mitsubishi-dendo-drive-house-car-power

[ncRover]

Can you imagine it, orderly queues still waiting to charge their car at 2.00am with work next morning

a whole new reason not to turn up for work.
power cut.

Or just work from home. Difficult if you are a Postie or something, mind.

To answer ncRover's point about people with no off-street parking, local authorities have been looking at feasibility of strategically placed "park and charge" facilities. I did some work with a local authority in Somerset on mapping where to locate facilities for maximum coverage within 10 mins walk in areas with little off-Street parking. The number of properties the coverage maps identified was massive.

I can’t see that working with parents of young children, disabled and elderly.

I see new hybrid options banned from 2035 unless they can “drive a significant distance without carbon coming out the exhaust pipe”. Would these still need charging somewhat?

Any clarification on the smart charging to take the strain off the grid Albie? Sounds a bit worrying to me.

[albie]

ncRover,

Your post 268:
The reason 2030 was given is to meet the UK net zero pathway set in law.

The ban on new ICE sales is to reduce severe air pollution impacts from petrol/diesel, so avoiding health service costs, and to move the UK economy towards full electrification to meet climate change rules.

Electrification is needed as well because in terms of energy efficiency, an ICE car wastes 80% of the energy as heat...only 20% is useful to give propulsion.

"Because all of this is looking incredibly expensive".
No, the higher cost is in delay which prevents the market to mature.

Biden's Inflation Reduction Act, and Chinese expansion means the UK risks very heavy economic damage from delay that gives advantage to others.

Average purchase price is not really relevant, because most of the early models were high end like Tesla. The UK has new car models at £25k, but given the rapid market development a 2 year lease might be better for many.

"Just leave the EV market to takeover naturally if it’s so good".
In truth, it will all be over by 2030, as the reduction in EV costs will make them the rational choice on economic grounds.
Government know this, so only a few petrol heads will be left to moan.

"So if there’s a few days cloudy days with no wind you can’t charge your car?"
No-one is saying that.

Smart charging is where incentives are given to use the grid at times of low demand.
See the solar thread where there is discussion of the different tariffs on offer.

The fall in battery costs (around 18% per annum) means that energy storage costs will continue to fall. That means that excess production will be stockpiled against occasional lulls in supply due to windless days.

"Because it takes 30 times longer I would certainly hope there are more charging points than petrol pumps already."
See the Reuters link I posted above. If the frequency of charging is reduced, there is less pressure on the charging structure in place.

New regulations for chargers have just been introduced:
https://nitter.net/EVAEOfficial/status/1678794976086425601#m

National Grid do not share your concerns over these issues, they are considered resolved.
The issue the UK faces is transmission infrastructure updates need to be faster to meet the rising renewable supply.

[ravenrover]

2030 set in law! Do you not think that whoever is in power will change that date to suit?

[albie]

Of course things can change, Raven, no-one said they can't.

If the 2030 date was pushed back, the UK would be behind and need to increase carbon savings in other areas to get back on track.

This is unlikely because the international consensus is pushing the other way.
Just my opinion!

[ravenrover]

If the fossil fuels company press hard perhaps the ban on new build ICE will be pushed back too, ££££££s tend to have a big influence on political parties

[selby]

  Great advert for electric vehicles currently on fire in a ship in the North Sea, and the second time transporting them by sea has caused a major incident at sea, the first ship sank and this one is in major trouble, lives already lost and the crew abandoned the ship.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Aye.

Thank f**k no oil tanker has ever sank.

[Muttley]

"The ship’s owner said an electric car in the cargo was suspected as a possible cause for the blaze."

Easy to blame the cargo, rather than anything being wrong with his ship,

[normal rules]

I see Vauxhall (Stellantis) have released details of their long awaited electric Astra. That affordable staple family car that hundreds of thousands have owned over the years
Now, you can currently buy a brand new ICE Astra for around 25 grand.
The new electric one starts at 40 grand!! 40 f**kin grand !
You could buy a tesla for that.
Seriously though, We are running headlong into a situation where car ownership, for many, simply won’t be affordable.

[Spud]

40 grand for a Vauxhall Astra, imagine that....
Who on earth is gonna pay that? Ridiculous.

[RobTheRover]

Putting my order in today for mine.

(not a Vauxhall Astra)

[albie]

So why would anyone buy this Astra when you can go for a BYD Dolphin at £26k;
https://ev-database.org/uk/car/1917/BYD-DOLPHIN-449-kWh-Active

Better still, consider leasing for 2 years!