Its another world up there

[ss1953]

At the bottom end of this article is a comment from the owner of the Blades:

On Wilder’s exit, he added: “Chris explained why he wanted to resign. He said that he felt the team needed a change, a new voice. We were very clear and said we don’t want to fire you but if you want to resign, you can, but we will not pay you the same money as if we were firing you.  The emails started between his representatives and our financial guy and we were astonished to find he had asked for £4m to resign. We said: ‘No way are we going to pay you £4m, you are resigning, we are not firing you, why would we have to pay almost one year’s salary?’”

£4mill equates to £77k a week.

https://www.yorkshirepost.co.uk/sport/football/sheffield-united/sheffield-united-prepared-for-several-player-exits-after-relegation-3179273?itm_source=parsely-api

[rich1471]

77 k a week , he was only aloud to sign players on no more than 65 k a week it must be hard for some of them out there

[Spud]

I commented on this on another thread, the quote from the prince was "almost a year's wages" so I'd guess nearer 100k.
Unbelievable.

[Not Now Kato]

It's ridiculous numbers like these that's starting to turn me off from football.
 
1% pay rise for nurses, people being reliant on food banks, zero hours contracts; stupidly high wages in football.  Where is the balance?

[Bentley Bullet]

According to those figures Wilder was paid more in a week than a medical surgeon gets paid in a year!

[ss1953]

I can vouch for that.
Was still doing exams till I was 30
On call 1 in 2 or 1 in 3.....

But you are not quite right, an NHS surgeon gets about £100k nowadays

per year

[Bentley Bullet]

I can vouch for that.
Was still doing exams till I was 30
On call 1 in 2 or 1 in 3.....

But you are not quite right, an NHS surgeon gets about £100k nowadays

per year

Ah right. I just went by this...

https://www.payscale.com/research/UK/Job=General_Surgeon/Salary

[Filo]

It’s not the players or the managers fault though, if owners are prepared to pay stupid money then players and managers are going to take it

[ss1953]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

[PDX_Rover]

I agree Filo. It’s obscene really but if clubs are prepared to pay that much then you can’t blame people for asking for it.

Society values are upside down. But then, what’s new, eh?

[PDX_Rover]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

Right, but you’d have to work 40 years to Wilder’s one. And your job is way more important.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Football has perfectly reflected wider society over the past 40 years. There used to be much less of a gap between average wages and the wages of top earners in both football and business. Since the 1980s the top salaries have been unleashed while average have only inched up.

It is an absolute disgrace but football isn't unusual, just more in the spotlight.

[ss1953]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

Right, but you’d have to work 40 years to Wilder’s one. And your job is way more important.

And more enjoyable. Having qualified in Edinburgh, I have worked here my whole working life apart from 4 years at Guys and Kingston (Surrey just in case..).

I inflicted pain on Scotsmen virtually all my professional life .... and they paid me for it!!

[Bentley Bullet]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

Right, but you’d have to work 40 years to Wilder’s one. And your job is way more important.

And more enjoyable. Having qualified in Edinburgh, I have worked here my whole working life apart from 4 years at Guys and Kingston (Surrey just in case..).

I inflicted pain on Scotsmen virtually all my professional life .... and they paid me for it!!

Well, I for one aren't gonna argue with you SS, because you just never know when you're gonna need a life saving procedure while supporting the mighty Rovers! We'll have to meet up for a pint at the Keepmoat once we can!

Friendship's gotta be cheaper than BUPA!

[tyke1962]

Well here's the thing with Wilder , two PL season's have earned the Blades well over £200m .

When he took the job they were surviving on £1m of tv revenue plus what ever the club brought in through ST's , advertising , sponsorship , match day income etc etc .

In my opinion he deserves his slice of the pie , without Chris Wilder the Blades would probably be in the championship at best and even that is debatable given where they were when he took over .

Wilder has added massive value to Sheffield United and so deserves his share of the bounty .

I actually don't see the problem some of you have .

There are plenty of free loaders in football , agents , players , owners even .

Chris Wilder is none of those things in my opinion , his track record stacks up .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.
You can only see Wilder's demands as not being obscene if you first decide that the financial conduct of the PL is reasonable.

Do you really think it is acceptable for ANYONE to earn the national average annual wage every 48 hours?

[adamtherover]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

the short career comment drives me mad every time I hear it! It's suggesting that once they retire they shouldn't have to do a days work for the rest of their life.   Here's a thought, once you are too old to be paid to do something you love, what about getting a normal  job like everyone else?

[Not Now Kato]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

the short career comment drives me mad every time I hear it! It's suggesting that once they retire they shouldn't have to do a days work for the rest of their life.   Here's a thought, once you are too old to be paid to do something you live, what about getting a normal  job like everyone else?

Yep, I remember Laurie Sheffield became a used car salesman when he retired from football. My Dad bought a car from him, St George's Car Centre IIRC.  They don't have to stop earning when they stop playing.

[Campsall rover]

Blame Sky TV

They created this wage explosion. Before they came along top footballers were well paid but not the obscene amounts they get now.

[i_ateallthepies]

The £70k is probably correct as the average if you include all the trainees.

My £100k is a someone at the top of the pay bands.
Takes 5/6 years at Medical school
2/3 years of House jobs
5/6 years of specialist training
then 5/6 years to get up the ladder.
You about Copps age by then.

Plus College of surgeons exams where they want to fail you
19% pass rate for first part of Fellowship, and 30% pass rate for second part when I took it.
(Needless to say I didn't pass the first part first time!)
Many are called.....
Actually they end up in Dermatology and get the same pay!

I do recognise its a very good salary and for the rest of your working life, whilst sportsmen have a very short earning period, which can be abruptly halted.

the short career comment drives me mad every time I hear it! It's suggesting that once they retire they shouldn't have to do a days work for the rest of their life.   Here's a thought, once you are too old to be paid to do something you live, what about getting a normal  job like everyone else?

Jason Price - modern-day footballer has done exactly that.  Credit to him.

[colfromdonny]

Also remember that most of us on this forum are products of the 70's and the teams we watched who won the league and European cups, Liverpool, Forest, Villa etc all had players who after finishing playing football had to get a 'normal' job, they usually ended up with pubs.  These players names are all in the history of these teams and I wonder what they think when a bang average player gets more in their first contract than they ever got in their careers and have never won anything.

[Barmby Rover]

Sky have a lot to answer for when it comes to British football, the Prem is an abomination artificially held together by corrupt money from foreign investors looking for tax breaks and laundered money, and a rabid old man wanting to be the dictator for our media. Those buying in are helping to undermine the values of the sport.

[Bentley Bullet]

When I moved home around 20 years ago Laurie Sheffield was working for Ideal estate agents.

[drfchound]

Sky have a lot to answer for when it comes to British football, the Prem is an abomination artificially held together by corrupt money from foreign investors looking for tax breaks and laundered money, and a rabid old man wanting to be the dictator for our media. Those buying in are helping to undermine the values of the sport.

It isn’t just British football though, the top divisions around the world can be included too.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.
You can only see Wilder's demands as not being obscene if you first decide that the financial conduct of the PL is reasonable.

Do you really think it is acceptable for ANYONE to earn the national average annual wage every 48 hours?

It's obscene if you compare it to other industries or services like the NHS and I fully understand why it would make people angry .

The fact is Billy the EPL creates massive revenue because it produces a successful product that people want to pay for .

It's actually one of the few industries where the revenue created is distributed reasonably fairly amongst those that create the product , at least within the EPL that is .

[drfchound]

Top executives at Banks receive exorbitant salaries and bonuses too which are way in excess of what “normal people” can ever expect.
I don’t know why anyone feels the need to single out football people when other industries offer massive rewards to the top echelons.

[Janso]

Top executives at Banks receive exorbitant salaries and bonuses too which are way in excess of what “normal people” can ever expect.
I don’t know why anyone feels the need to single out football people when other industries offer massive rewards to the top echelons.

Because it's an easy target. That's why Matt Hancock went after them in the summer about taking a pay cut but nobody else who would earn similar amounts. And because people seem to be under a false impression that footballers are somehow paid out of the public purse.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Top executives at Banks receive exorbitant salaries and bonuses too which are way in excess of what “normal people” can ever expect.
I don’t know why anyone feels the need to single out football people when other industries offer massive rewards to the top echelons.

You've entirely missed the point I was making.

Yes, bank executives and footballers both receive salaries that are obscenely higher than average salaries.

The point is that in both cases that is a recent phenomenon. 40 years ago, the difference between top salaries and average salaries wasnt anywhere near as big. We as a society have allowed the people at the top to receive these salaries. It's not set in stone that it has to be that way.

[drfchound]

Top executives at Banks receive exorbitant salaries and bonuses too which are way in excess of what “normal people” can ever expect.
I don’t know why anyone feels the need to single out football people when other industries offer massive rewards to the top echelons.

You've entirely missed the point I was making.

Yes, bank executives and footballers both receive salaries that are obscenely higher than average salaries.

The point is that in both cases that is a recent phenomenon. 40 years ago, the difference between top salaries and average salaries wasnt anywhere near as big. We as a society have allowed the people at the top to receive these salaries. It's not set in stone that it has to be that way.

Of course things have changed in the last 40 years, I don’t think anyone would expect anything else.
How do you think that society could have done anything to keep things as they were all that time ago.

[BobG]

By not repeatedly voting in monetarist dogmatists.

BobG