Manager selection update part 2

[drfchound]

I know I will be shot down in flames and some will no doubt say I'm mad BUT. I wouldn't be unhappy if we gave the job to AB.
He was handed a poisoned chalice as we were already in a bad run and whilst he hasn't been able to change it he has had to manage with someone else's players.
He knows the players we should be giving contracts to etc etc and he will be in a position to go after new signings from the word go.
It will be then HIS team.

I wondered who would be the first 

You’re mad

An example of someone attacking the poster and not the post maybe?

[5 on Tour]

Have to do Psychometric testing for sales jobs all the time. In large parts it is a complete waste of time unless it is the first one someone has ever done. I knew what the questions were, pretty much, for the second one I did as they were identical to the first.

Hopefully ours has a way of detecting any snakes in the grass for our next appointment. After McTraitor and Darren “I like it here” Moore both ran off to get relegated.

Do you know what the right answer is though ?
They are subjective questions, not factual.

Exactly this.

If you think they’re subjective then you haven’t done many. It’s a question type with an answer type. And if you can’t see the pattern in them then you shouldn’t even be having the test.

Speaking of monotonous patterns I’m starting to see a few in your responses to my posts Gaz.

[GazLaz]

Have to do Psychometric testing for sales jobs all the time. In large parts it is a complete waste of time unless it is the first one someone has ever done. I knew what the questions were, pretty much, for the second one I did as they were identical to the first.

Hopefully ours has a way of detecting any snakes in the grass for our next appointment. After McTraitor and Darren “I like it here” Moore both ran off to get relegated.

Do you know what the right answer is though ?
They are subjective questions, not factual.

Exactly this.

If you think they’re subjective then you haven’t done many. It’s a question type with an answer type. And if you can’t see the pattern in them then you shouldn’t even be having the test.

Speaking of monotonous patterns I’m starting to see a few in your responses to my posts Gaz.

Sorry mate you must be mistaken. I don’t even recognise your username to be honest.

[5 on Tour]

Have to do Psychometric testing for sales jobs all the time. In large parts it is a complete waste of time unless it is the first one someone has ever done. I knew what the questions were, pretty much, for the second one I did as they were identical to the first.

Hopefully ours has a way of detecting any snakes in the grass for our next appointment. After McTraitor and Darren “I like it here” Moore both ran off to get relegated.

Do you know what the right answer is though ?
They are subjective questions, not factual.

Exactly this.

If you think they’re subjective then you haven’t done many. It’s a question type with an answer type. And if you can’t see the pattern in them then you shouldn’t even be having the test.

Speaking of monotonous patterns I’m starting to see a few in your responses to my posts Gaz.

Sorry mate you must be mistaken. I don’t even recognise your username to be honest.

Haha. Maybe you’re like it with everyone then. My apologies for thinking you could turn it on and off.

[One_Matty_Lucas]

Have to do Psychometric testing for sales jobs all the time. In large parts it is a complete waste of time unless it is the first one someone has ever done. I knew what the questions were, pretty much, for the second one I did as they were identical to the first.

Hopefully ours has a way of detecting any snakes in the grass for our next appointment. After McTraitor and Darren “I like it here” Moore both ran off to get relegated.

Do you know what the right answer is though ?
They are subjective questions, not factual.

Exactly this.

If you think they’re subjective then you haven’t done many. It’s a question type with an answer type. And if you can’t see the pattern in them then you shouldn’t even be having the test.

Speaking of monotonous patterns I’m starting to see a few in your responses to my posts Gaz.

For me there are different types of tests/questions:

- Aptitude (patterns, logic) a bit like an IQ test
- Psychometric (emotions, rationale, reasoning) which determine how you react in situations/if you have empathy etc.

I agree that Aptitude tests are always the same and easy to practice for, but a psychometric test/question can't really be cheated as it's an individual's subjective reading of the situation/question.

I don't miss doing them every day for Uni Grad Schemes!

[NickDRFC]

I expect it to be the sort of testing to identify a personality type based on questions with two scenarios, like “do you prefer to make decisions quickly and independently or prefer to gather evidence and opinions” and ultimately designed to show aptitudes like whether someone is strategic, innovative, harmonious, entrepreneurial, a leader etc. I think they’re easy enough to “cheat” if you want to present yourself in a certain way but if you don’t necessarily know what the employer is after then that’s more difficult.

[One_Matty_Lucas]

I expect it to be the sort of testing to identify a personality type based on questions with two scenarios, like “do you prefer to make decisions quickly and independently or prefer to gather evidence and opinions” and ultimately designed to show aptitudes like whether someone is strategic, innovative, harmonious, entrepreneurial, a leader etc. I think they’re easy enough to “cheat” if you want to present yourself in a certain way but if you don’t necessarily know what the employer is after then that’s more difficult.

Yeah I agree, but I think the tests are sufficiently built to find this.

From memory there are often themes repeated throughout the test so you need to be consistent with your cheating throughout the test.

And as you say, we don't know what the Board want to see. I assume they receive a report per candidate with a sort of chart showing a rating in many categories.

At the end of the day its an additional tool that is part of the larger selection process, they wont hire or reject anyone based on this result alone.

[SydneyRover]

If I remember correctly the same questions would crop up couched in different terms, designed I suppose to ensure the answers you gave were genuine.

[Metalmicky]

I personally would like to see the selection process follow that of the SAS.

A tough endurance phase - where applicants were given tests to examine their fitness and mental stamina, checking their levels of determination to finish the job they started and their self reliance to not be swayed from the task in hand...

A jungle training stage - Belize might be a bit far to travel, so perhaps survival overnight in Hexthorpe, living on basic rations (chips) and analysing how the contender responds to existing in an extreme environment, being under pressure and living on one's wits...

Then an escape and evasion phase - this will test the candidates ability to avoid responsibility for any obvious errors in judgement, match day formation, tactical miscalculations or failing squad signings.  Following any cataclysmic results, the candidate will be required to make himself scarce and avoid detection by any Liam Hoden types       

Finally, a tactical questioning phase - If cornered, the candidates must show ability to resist interrogation or direct questioning - avoiding giving any clear or coherent responses to reasonably simple inquiries from press and fans....... candidates may be placed in 'stress positions' to extract any semblance of common sense.

[Chris Black come back]

Simple, straightforward, effective test - can they throw a kettle over a pub? Yes/No.

[drfchound]

I personally would like to see the selection process follow that of the SAS.

A tough endurance phase - where applicants were given tests to examine their fitness and mental stamina, checking their levels of determination to finish the job they started and their self reliance to not be swayed from the task in hand...

A jungle training stage - Belize might be a bit far to travel, so perhaps survival overnight in Hexthorpe, living on basic rations (chips) and analysing how the contender responds to existing in an extreme environment, being under pressure and living on one's wits...

Then an escape and evasion phase - this will test the candidates ability to avoid responsibility for any obvious errors in judgement, match day formation, tactical miscalculations or failing squad signings.  Following any cataclysmic results, the candidate will be required to make himself scarce and avoid detection by any Liam Hoden types       

Finally, a tactical questioning phase - If cornered, the candidates must show ability to resist interrogation or direct questioning - avoiding giving any clear or coherent responses to reasonably simple inquiries from press and fans....... candidates may be placed in 'stress positions' to extract any semblance of common sense.

Love the bit about Hexthorpe MM.
LoL

[roversdude]

Bloody hell MM I think Boris might be our next manager

[Herbert Anchovy]

I wonder if we’d have ended up with Billy Bremner had we used this selection process when he was recruited as Manager!!

[Alan Southstand]

Nothing wrong with psychometric testing as such, but to suggest the second interview will not get any easier because of it is wide of the mark. There is absolutely nothing difficult about it at all.

It’s an aid to selectors, that’s all.

[selby]

   Amazed at all these tests and we still have players who can only kick with one foot. 

[danumdon]

Fully onboard with the psychometric testing and i would go further. They should structure them as they do for train drivers, you get to do this first one and if you fail you then get one more chance to pass, if this also leads to a fail then you don't ever get to be a train driver EVER.
I'd like to see all clubs folow this scheme, it would weed out the unsuitable and the dross and prevent them from appearing on every football clubs prospective managers shortlist for the next ten years (on in Wilsons case 30 years)

[Glyn_Wigley]

I hope to God Paul Flowers hasn't applied. Apparently he does very well in psychometric tests.

You can probably tell I'm not a fan of them.

[silent majority]

I spoke with Gavin last night after the first few interviews had been held.

From what we discussed I concluded that he had been really happy with the interviews with all 3 applicants, and that the selection process had worked so far in that the high quality of the discussions met the clubs expectations. He would be quite happy, if he had to that is, offer the role to at least two of them.

But, he's also hoping that when the next group are interviewed that the selection of just one becomes even harder, that would mean we have a significant number of candidates who are capable of leading this great club of ours.

[godlike1]

Cheers SM. I'm sure you and the bd are more than aware that no matter who the bd choose they won't win and someone or everyone will have a moan one thing or another.

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

[Janso]

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

Depends really. In the League Two season people were making out we were destined for the National League because we lost the first game of the season.

[silent majority]

Cheers SM. I'm sure you and the bd are more than aware that no matter who the bd choose they won't win and someone or everyone will have a moan one thing or another.

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

Yep, that's a problem for sure. We have to have confidence in a process that has delivered us excellent managers in recent years, no matter what the final selection is. No doubt there'll be considerable numbers expressing their opinions if social media is anything to go by.

I find it quite laughable that people on twitter for example, are having a pop at the club for even considering interviewing certain candidates when said candidates haven't even applied for the job. Now that's a no-win situation if there ever was one.
 

[Campsall rover]

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

Depends really. In the League Two season people were making out we were destined for the National League because we lost the first game of the season.

Ah but we always lose away at Accrington. Well it has been proved to be the case as we have lost every game since that one also.   
 

[Janso]

Cheers SM. I'm sure you and the bd are more than aware that no matter who the bd choose they won't win and someone or everyone will have a moan one thing or another.

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

Yep, that's a problem for sure. We have to have confidence in a process that has delivered us excellent managers in recent years, no matter what the final selection is. No doubt there'll be considerable numbers expressing their opinions if social media is anything to go by.

I find it quite laughable that people on twitter for example, are having a pop at the club for even considering interviewing certain candidates when said candidates haven't even applied for the job. Now that's a no-win situation if there ever was one.

The FIFA generation on twitter are an absolute embarrassment to the club.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Twitter is the gobshite's paradise and always has been.

[DonnyOsmond]

Cheers SM. I'm sure you and the bd are more than aware that no matter who the bd choose they won't win and someone or everyone will have a moan one thing or another.

I think the thing that does stand rovers fans out amongst others is our patience and willingness to give the manager time to succeed (unless this is just in my head) let's hope we do that with whoever is given the job

Yep, that's a problem for sure. We have to have confidence in a process that has delivered us excellent managers in recent years, no matter what the final selection is. No doubt there'll be considerable numbers expressing their opinions if social media is anything to go by.

I find it quite laughable that people on twitter for example, are having a pop at the club for even considering interviewing certain candidates when said candidates haven't even applied for the job. Now that's a no-win situation if there ever was one.
 

No Stendel.

[DonnyOsmond]

Twitter is the gobshite's paradise and always has been.

Definitely got worse in the last 5 years.

[godlike1]

I just hope who ever it is that he doesn't talk the sort of shine DM used to come out with. He made the club look clueless in public and very unambitious.

Used to really get my

[Padge_DRFC]

Do we even find out after it all who the 8 were?

[DonnyOsmond]

Do we even find out after it all who the 8 were?

Nope.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Do we even find out after it all who the 8 were?

Would you want your boss to know you've had an interview somewhere else if you didn't get it?