Labour party

[Herbert Anchovy]

I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.

I remember reading something like this when I was much younger. The warning 40 years ago was that in 50 years time, Doncaster would be on the coast.
The reality is even Cleethorpes  still isn’t near the sea most of the time.

I do worry about climate change, but I don’t think I am going to have to put my towel out early to stop Barnsley folk from sitting on my beach.

I vaguely remember Raise the Roof doing an article in the late 80’s on where the Rovers will be in the year 2000. They reckoned we’d be playing in a stadium named “Elstadio Belle Vue” however global warming would have flooded large swathes of Donny and Doncaster Dome would be underwater and have become the Doncaster Nipple!

[normal rules]

We worry about it,  then we don’t because we can’t see it. (Yet)
Glimpses of it recently in the US and Germany and very close to home in recent years.

Global mean sea level has increased by approximately 20 centimetres since records began in the mid 19th century. Satellite measurements show that the current rate of sea level rise is around 3mm per year. In the period 1961-2003 it has recently been estimated that 40% of sea level rise was caused by the expansion of water as it was heated by global warming and 60% from shrinking glaciers and ice caps.

The reason we don’t notice it, is that it has been gradual. But it’s speeding up. Events like the flooding around Fishlake not too long ago will be more frequent. An area just SE of Lincoln was under water for weeks in recent years. Wainfleet near skeg was under water for weeks also, and although it was a burst bank, it just shows that water levels are putting pressure on our already fragile defences.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Are you kidding?
All I've heard for the last 6 months is excuse after excuse for Labours stuttering position in terms of polls, by-elections and leaking members.
Nobody who's moved away is returning, a fairly big chunk of people who were Labour aren't sticking a vote in their box either.
We've had over a year of a pandemic being handled like an absolute shit show, public money being coughed up to mates hand over fist and a Brexit that is on the verge of crashing a massive chunk of our economy and yet people would still have more faith in Boris than Keith (considerably so).
I've been checking some of the majorities across our local area recently that still have a Labour MP sat in them and its clear there won't be a single one left after the next election.
The likes of yourself, Flint, Ian Austin and Kinnock the younger will still be blaming Corbyn and the Left though, of that I'm quite sure.

Typical response from the Left. If you don't agree with us, you are in the Flint/Austin camp. f**king risible.

The bigger point though is that so many of the people who joined the Labour party 6 years ago have f**ked off as soon as they realised that there are very hard challenges for a party on the left to form a coalition wide enough to be a serious electoral force in the current atmosphere. That puts them squarely in the same circle of Hell as Umunna and his gang.

[normal rules]

Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.

[Filo]

Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.

Whats the chances of that eh? Two Members of the Govt being randomly select for the pilot scheme and the leader of the opposition missing out

[tyke1962]

Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.

I thought he'd been self isolating for the past 14 months .

 

[Glyn_Wigley]

A lot of Lincolnshire is just below sea level anyway. Mablethorpe certainly is.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Kier starmer now having to self isolate due to his child getting covid. Let’s hope he is squeak6 clean with it. The gutter press will be watching him.

Whats the chances of that eh? Two Members of the Govt being randomly select for the pilot scheme and the leader of the opposition missing out

He should be exempt aswell if he's testing negative, he's important and should be exempt.

I hope it was a lateral flow test his child did otherwise he should have isolated pending the result.

[turnbull for england]

I do wonder what the future holds for politics, not just in the uk, but globally.
In the coming century, the challenges will be about surviving and living with the effects of climate change. No govt in the world seems to want to accept this, or do anything about it.
They reckon in the next 30 to 50 years, huge swathes of Lincolnshire, where I currently live, will be under water. That’s about 1/2 million people needing rehoming. And Lincolnshire is not alone in this. There are plenty of other areas of the uk at similar risk.
Doncaster could end up being a new coastal town.

I remember reading something like this when I was much younger. The warning 40 years ago was that in 50 years time, Doncaster would be on the coast.
The reality is even Cleethorpes  still isn’t near the sea most of the time.

I do worry about climate change, but I don’t think I am going to have to put my towel out early to stop Barnsley folk from sitting on my beach.

I vaguely remember Raise the Roof doing an article in the late 80’s on where the Rovers will be in the year 2000. They reckoned we’d be playing in a stadium named “Elstadio Belle Vue” however global warming would have flooded large swathes of Donny and Doncaster Dome would be underwater and have become the Doncaster Nipple!

The North Sea nipple !! 

[tyke1962]

Such a broad church and elected to build on the work of Jeremy Corbyn .

https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2021/jul/20/labour-votes-to-ban-four-far-left-factions-that-supported-corbyns-leadership

[BillyStubbsTears]

How apt that the leader of one of the banned groups is called R. Sewell.

[tyke1962]

How apt that the leader of one of the banned groups is called R. Sewell.

To be fair Billy you couldn't really get away with standing on a Labour leadership ticket of building on the work of Tony Blair .

That would require you to invade Iraq killing 5m people and becoming a war criminal .

Creating the culture with the finance industry to bankrupt the country .

Saddle the country with billions of pounds worth of debt that future generations are saddled with just so you look at least remotely socially democratic when building new schools and hospitals .

Start to privatise the NHS .

No best stick to Corbyn's mandate and get elected as Labour leader where at least you can renegade on it once elected just as you influenced renegading on a brexit position in an election manifesto .

I wouldn't trust Keith to tell me the right time of day .

It's a toss up whose the biggest charlatan in the HOC , Keith or the Buffoon sat directly across from him .

About the width of a fag paper between em .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke.
I do wonder if you actually process these thought before you post them.

The "oh they are to the right of me therefore they are Red Tories" is THE most intellectually vacuous logic in the whole of politics.

[tyke1962]

Tyke.
I do wonder if you actually process these thought before you post them.

The "oh they are to the right of me therefore they are Red Tories" is THE most intellectually vacuous logic in the whole of politics.

You could also try and deny that what I posted didn't happen Billy .

The mud slinging won't alter the facts of course so it's a bit of a poor look .

I'll give Blair some credit at least whether I agreed with him or not at least he had the minerals to stand up at the Labour Party Conference and stand by his convictions .

Keith's so insecure he's frightened to death by 1000 left wing members , so much so he's banned em .

He's managed to replace the 1000 with John Bercow !!! .

Never mind I'm sure you've got it all under control Billy , lob a few tennis balls over the railings that section off Downing Street from the public on one of your usual virtue signalling days out in the capital .

That will show em .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Tyke. You don't need to lecture me about Blair. I left the party because of him. But I was never going to vote in a way that would help put Duncan Smith or Howard into No10. That's the difference between us.

[tyke1962]

Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .

Absolutely disgraceful if true .

[SydneyRover]

Tik Tok?

[wesisback]

Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .

Absolutely disgraceful if true .

Some words from the great Tony Benn.
"If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media - having tasted blood - would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public. Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda. But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years."

[SydneyRover]

Rumours surfacing that Ken Loach is to be expelled from the Labour Party .

Absolutely disgraceful if true .

Some words from the great Tony Benn.
"If the Labour Party could be bullied or persuaded to denounce its Marxists, the media - having tasted blood - would demand next that it expelled all its Socialist and reunited the remaining Labour Party with the SDP to form a harmless alternative to the Conservatives, which could then be allowed to take office now and then when the Conservatives fell out of favour with the public. Thus British Capitalism, it is argued, will be made safe forever, and socialism would be squeezed of the National agenda. But if such a strategy were to succeed… it would in fact profoundly endanger British society. For it would open up the danger of a swing to the far-right, as we have seen in Europe over the last 50 years."

So you know what the problem is, what is the answer?

[wesisback]

Vote neither

[SydneyRover]

Vote neither

It's not those within the party you need to persuade methinks, but those without that don't give a toss, those that appear unlikely to vote, why would they vote if they think all politicians are the same?

[wing commander]

  Interesting one this..For me Labours biggest problem is one I dont think they can actually fix. It has got to the stage were they are basically two party's trying to co-exist under one umbrella. Both groups believing they hold the core values of the Labour party but seemingly miles apart in the interpretation of that.

  We have a tory government led by a buffoon who frankly wouldn't have survived the endless scandals and cock ups if he had a credible opposition breathing down his neck.

  So as a floating voter (and there has to be a lot of us) what's the answer?. Maybe it's time for something radical like the Labour party disbanding and reforming as two seperate party's, that would stop the in fighting, policy clashes and finally give the Country a option to vote for a party with a clear path forward, whichever that is.

  With the state of the political party's I don't think it would take that many years for these party's to get established.

[Bentley Bullet]

Arthur Scargill formed a break-away party in 1996 with his Socialist Labour Party (SLP).

[DonnyOsmond]

  Interesting one this..For me Labours biggest problem is one I dont think they can actually fix. It has got to the stage were they are basically two party's trying to co-exist under one umbrella. Both groups believing they hold the core values of the Labour party but seemingly miles apart in the interpretation of that.

  We have a tory government led by a buffoon who frankly wouldn't have survived the endless scandals and cock ups if he had a credible opposition breathing down his neck.

  So as a floating voter (and there has to be a lot of us) what's the answer?. Maybe it's time for something radical like the Labour party disbanding and reforming as two seperate party's, that would stop the in fighting, policy clashes and finally give the Country a option to vote for a party with a clear path forward, whichever that is.

  With the state of the political party's I don't think it would take that many years for these party's to get established.

That would just dilute the left of center parties, meaning the Tories are even better placed in FPTP to win an election.

[wesisback]

90 staff set to be made redundant.
Quite confusing as when Starmer took over they had a fantastic bank balance, thriving membership as well as the Union funding.
If he can't look after his own Parties bank account what chance do they have of looking after the nations economy.

[SydneyRover]

90 staff set to be made redundant.
Quite confusing as when Starmer took over they had a fantastic bank balance, thriving membership as well as the Union funding.
If he can't look after his own Parties bank account what chance do they have of looking after the nations economy.

They had also recorded their worst defeat for how long? so money isn't the problem when it comes to getting elected is it?

[wesisback]

I honestly have no words to describe this.

[albie]

Some context for this topic;
https://twitter.com/gletherby/status/1421861298095206401/photo/1

Facts can sometimes be difficult to explain, can't they?

[DonnyOsmond]

https://twitter.com/KenLoachSixteen/status/1426478741455360003?t=L-RzL5dPNjz1vT9iD5In3Q&s=19

Ken Loach is gone.

[SydneyRover]

https://twitter.com/KenLoachSixteen/status/1426478741455360003?t=L-RzL5dPNjz1vT9iD5In3Q&s=19

Ken Loach is gone.

No one person can be bigger than the party, all these people that are going as part of the groups that have been voted off are more than likely good people as individuals. Corbyn resigned, a correct decision under the circumstances, so what should be the next move, wash rinse repeat?