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Forgot there were criteria before you were allowed to be mentally ill.
They used to shoot soldiers who had stress/mental illness and call them cowards. Thank heavens things have moved on since those days.
That’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?
Maybe the athletes need shooting……….( obviously joking ) …………..
Mental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .
Quote from: normal rules on August 03, 2021, 09:17:49 pmThat’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?How can I be accurate about dissenters, absconders, malingerers when I explicitly and exclusively talked about soldiers who had stress/mental illness? Because as soon as you said that, all your implications of what you think I said after that accusation is b*llocks. Sorry.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 04, 2021, 01:02:10 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 03, 2021, 09:17:49 pmThat’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?How can I be accurate about dissenters, absconders, malingerers when I explicitly and exclusively talked about soldiers who had stress/mental illness? Because as soon as you said that, all your implications of what you think I said after that accusation is b*llocks. Sorry.Mental illness during world wars was simply not recognised as such though, it was recognised as malingering, or dissenting or simply refusing to soldier. That’s why there were sanatoriums and the like. Don’t forget these were times when conditions such as autism were considered as madness. So to state soldiers were shot for having mental health issues would be inaccurate. They were shot because they were not soldiering. And that’s how it would have been documented. Mental health was simply not understood or accepted for that matter like it is in the 21st c.
They have mentioned mental Heath three times in the Olympic round up on BBC news at 10 what is the world coming to! my great Garndad spent 4 years in the Trenches in the Great War mr Grandad 2 and a half years. I wonder what they would make of thes pampered sports man and women !
Quote from: normal rules on August 08, 2021, 01:31:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 04, 2021, 01:02:10 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 03, 2021, 09:17:49 pmThat’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?How can I be accurate about dissenters, absconders, malingerers when I explicitly and exclusively talked about soldiers who had stress/mental illness? Because as soon as you said that, all your implications of what you think I said after that accusation is b*llocks. Sorry.Mental illness during world wars was simply not recognised as such though, it was recognised as malingering, or dissenting or simply refusing to soldier. That’s why there were sanatoriums and the like. Don’t forget these were times when conditions such as autism were considered as madness. So to state soldiers were shot for having mental health issues would be inaccurate. They were shot because they were not soldiering. And that’s how it would have been documented. Mental health was simply not understood or accepted for that matter like it is in the 21st c.The bottom line is that soldiers with mental health problems were unjustly executed because of the symptoms they displayed.
Quote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 08, 2021, 02:59:37 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 08, 2021, 01:31:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 04, 2021, 01:02:10 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 03, 2021, 09:17:49 pmThat’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?How can I be accurate about dissenters, absconders, malingerers when I explicitly and exclusively talked about soldiers who had stress/mental illness? Because as soon as you said that, all your implications of what you think I said after that accusation is b*llocks. Sorry.Mental illness during world wars was simply not recognised as such though, it was recognised as malingering, or dissenting or simply refusing to soldier. That’s why there were sanatoriums and the like. Don’t forget these were times when conditions such as autism were considered as madness. So to state soldiers were shot for having mental health issues would be inaccurate. They were shot because they were not soldiering. And that’s how it would have been documented. Mental health was simply not understood or accepted for that matter like it is in the 21st c.The bottom line is that soldiers with mental health problems were unjustly executed because of the symptoms they displayed.I could not agree more. And I was a soldier for 14.5 yrs of my life. But I cannot support a comment comparing sick soldiers with the likes of that pathetic American gymnast who wants to switch on her “illness” when it suits for no other reason than to further her own selfish image.
Quote from: normal rules on August 08, 2021, 08:52:04 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 08, 2021, 02:59:37 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 08, 2021, 01:31:53 pmQuote from: Glyn_Wigley on August 04, 2021, 01:02:10 pmQuote from: normal rules on August 03, 2021, 09:17:49 pmThat’s a pretty sweeping comparison to make re soldiers and yes, you are accurate in that dissenters, absconders, malingerers or those who refused to soldier were treat like the enemy. The difference being is that one soldier suffering mental illness could have cost the lives of many others in battle. Different times of course, and yes, we have moved on from that thankfully. But to compare the fate of unwilling soldiers in battle to someone like an Olympic athlete is somewhat, how shall I put it, disproportionate. ?How can I be accurate about dissenters, absconders, malingerers when I explicitly and exclusively talked about soldiers who had stress/mental illness? Because as soon as you said that, all your implications of what you think I said after that accusation is b*llocks. Sorry.Mental illness during world wars was simply not recognised as such though, it was recognised as malingering, or dissenting or simply refusing to soldier. That’s why there were sanatoriums and the like. Don’t forget these were times when conditions such as autism were considered as madness. So to state soldiers were shot for having mental health issues would be inaccurate. They were shot because they were not soldiering. And that’s how it would have been documented. Mental health was simply not understood or accepted for that matter like it is in the 21st c.The bottom line is that soldiers with mental health problems were unjustly executed because of the symptoms they displayed.I could not agree more. And I was a soldier for 14.5 yrs of my life. But I cannot support a comment comparing sick soldiers with the likes of that pathetic American gymnast who wants to switch on her “illness” when it suits for no other reason than to further her own selfish image.With a view like that about a survivor of sexual abuse I am glad you are no longer representing our armed forces.
Quote from: tyke1962 on August 04, 2021, 01:09:00 amMental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .It isn't ridiculous, anxiety is a mental illness and can vary day to day.
Mental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .
Quote from: DonnyOsmond on August 09, 2021, 01:58:58 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on August 04, 2021, 01:09:00 amMental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .It isn't ridiculous, anxiety is a mental illness and can vary day to day.In that case there must be close to 100% of adults who have at some time in there life suffered mental illness…..whether it be anxiety, stress, and other associated clumped together fears of something ……Perhaps this is the new society….
Quote from: tyke1962 on August 04, 2021, 01:09:00 amMental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .It isn't ridiculous, anxiety is a mental illness and can vary day to day.
Mental illness isn't to be taken lightly and is extremely serious .Unfortunately people like the young US gymnast make a mockery of the illness and actually do more harm than good in promoting it .Pulling out of competition in the Olympics claiming to be " looking after her mental health " only to return a few days later is ridiculous .A mental condition doesn't work like that , it's a long term condition and can take years in some cases to overcome not a few days .This illness can strike anyone irrespective of lifestyle or wealth but please do not use it like you've had a few days with the trots .It deserves to be given far more respect than that .