Racism in hungary

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Sadly and somewhat unsurprisingly, I see the Budapest crowd have bathed themselves in glory again tonight, with monkey chants aimed at England players along with missiles thrown.
Let’s see how uefa deal with them.I won’t hold my breath.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Hungary is to all intents and purposes a fascist country. We are normalising the descent of a country down that path by just turning a blind eye to what is happening there.

[RobTheRover]

Fantastic response from Declan Rice.

Sod 'em, I'll drink their drink

[drfchound]

Hungary is to all intents and purposes a fascist country. We are normalising the descent of a country down that path by just turning a blind eye to what is happening there.

Why doesn’t this post surprise me ?

[belton rover]

Fantastic response from Declan Rice.

Sod 'em, I'll drink their drink

Who was it who had a pie thrown at him as he waited to take a corner, and he picked it up and took a huge bite out of it?

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Whilst I refuse to take sides between yourself hound and bst, ever since the early 20th century, Hungary has been a hotbed for racism.  They sided with the facist Italians in the 20’s and 30’s, then hitler and the nazis in the lead up to and during ww2. Never been allies of ours. Not one of our favoured countries. They are one good reason to be rid of the Eu. Contribute little, take as much as they can.  In fact they could be on the verge of leaving or being kicked out of the Eu. They like to back a losing side too, constantly getting battered by the soviets every time they entered conflict with them in the 1940’s.

[normal rules]

What did Sterling have wrote on his shirt?

[SydneyRover]

People follow a leader whether it be in a household or a country, if the leader is racist it promotes racism (but not limited to) within the group.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Couldn't agree more with most of your post NR. Hungary is a deeply problematic place and the behaviour of their fans reflects the traditions there and their current government. It's up to authorities to clamp down hard on this behaviour.

You'd expect me to disagree on the EU and I do up to a point. A key aim of the EU has always been to cement democratic norms in a fractured continent and mostly it has been an unqualified success. There were fascist regimes in many countries just years before they joined the EU. Germany, Italy, Spain, Portugal and Greece. It's unthinkable that they could go fascist again. But the EU has slipped up badly in Hungary, allowing them to slide away from democracy without action being taken. And it emboldens the Kitsons in their black shirts spewing their filth tonight.

[Axholme Lion]

Hungary is a democratic Christian nation who do their best to defend the borders of Europe. This country could learn a lot from them.
I'd rather have Orban as a leader than any of the shower we have here. At least he sticks up for his own country and people.

[5minstogo]

After everything Rashford has done for them............

[drfchound]

Whilst I refuse to take sides between yourself hound and bst, ever since the early 20th century, Hungary has been a hotbed for racism.  They sided with the facist Italians in the 20’s and 30’s, then hitler and the nazis in the lead up to and during ww2. Never been allies of ours. Not one of our favoured countries. They are one good reason to be rid of the Eu. Contribute little, take as much as they can.  In fact they could be on the verge of leaving or being kicked out of the Eu. They like to back a losing side too, constantly getting battered by the soviets every time they entered conflict with them in the 1940’s.

NR, I have a friend who escaped from Hungary in the mid fifties and came to England.
He told me a story about the secret police turning up at their house late one evening and taking his his brother away.
He never saw his brother again.
I have always been aware of the right wing effect in Hungary and despise it.
It is so far removed from the UK and to suggest that we are becoming like that is ridiculous.
I have no affinity to any political party despite what some on here think.
In my opinion all politicians are the same and can’t be trusted.
I fully agree with your comments on the racism situation in Hungary and my post further up the thread in no way condones what goes on there.

[wilts rover]

Dozens of posts a few weeks back condeming England players for making an anti-rascist gesture.

Hardly any condeming fans making racist gestures.

Under the new laws your friend would not now be able to come to the UK hound. Nor can you protest about it. Thats where fascism starts.

[drfchound]

Dozens of posts a few weeks back condeming England players for making an anti-rascist gesture.

Hardly any condeming fans making racist gestures.

Under the new laws your friend would not now be able to come to the UK hound. Nor can you protest about it. Thats where fascism starts.

He escaped at the time of the 1956 revolution wilts.
I don’t ever think the UK will have anything similar to that.

[normal rules]

Whilst I refuse to take sides between yourself hound and bst, ever since the early 20th century, Hungary has been a hotbed for racism.  They sided with the facist Italians in the 20’s and 30’s, then hitler and the nazis in the lead up to and during ww2. Never been allies of ours. Not one of our favoured countries. They are one good reason to be rid of the Eu. Contribute little, take as much as they can.  In fact they could be on the verge of leaving or being kicked out of the Eu. They like to back a losing side too, constantly getting battered by the soviets every time they entered conflict with them in the 1940’s.

NR, I have a friend who escaped from Hungary in the mid fifties and came to England.
He told me a story about the secret police turning up at their house late one evening and taking his his brother away.
He never saw his brother again.
I have always been aware of the right wing effect in Hungary and despise it.
It is so far removed from the UK and to suggest that we are becoming like that is ridiculous.
I have no affinity to any political party despite what some on here think.
In my opinion all politicians are the same and can’t be trusted.
I fully agree with your comments on the racism situation in Hungary and my post further up the thread in no way condones what goes on there.

I don’t think I suggested the uk is anything like Hungary did I? If I did it certain,y was not intended.
Hungary has about as much chance as being as democratic as the uk as Afghanistan has of being a Christian majority country.

It’s beggars belief that last nights game was played in front of a crowd at all. Another good example of the utter counterintuitive beurocracy involved in world football. Eufa and fifa on different planets. They still have a three match no crowd sanction in place I believe, but only for euro competition. Ridiculous.

[Metalmicky]

Budapest is great though - if you feel like a trip away.

[idler]

Budapest is great though - if you feel like a trip away.

I'm not sure that Sterling,Bellingham or Saka might enjoy it there though unfortunately.

[Metalmicky]

Budapest is great though - if you feel like a trip away.

I'm not sure that Sterling,Bellingham or Saka might enjoy it there though unfortunately.

Good point - well presented...

[keyser_soze]

After everything Rashford has done for them............

underrated comment.

[SydneyRover]

Southgate again showed his class and firm diplomacy by standing by his players and condemning the racists, are coaches all the same too?

[normal rules]

I though he showed great calmness despite having ice thrown at him from the crowd during one interview.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Whilst I refuse to take sides between yourself hound and bst, ever since the early 20th century, Hungary has been a hotbed for racism.  They sided with the facist Italians in the 20’s and 30’s, then hitler and the nazis in the lead up to and during ww2. Never been allies of ours. Not one of our favoured countries. They are one good reason to be rid of the Eu. Contribute little, take as much as they can.  In fact they could be on the verge of leaving or being kicked out of the Eu. They like to back a losing side too, constantly getting battered by the soviets every time they entered conflict with them in the 1940’s.

NR, I have a friend who escaped from Hungary in the mid fifties and came to England.
He told me a story about the secret police turning up at their house late one evening and taking his his brother away.
He never saw his brother again.
I have always been aware of the right wing effect in Hungary and despise it.
It is so far removed from the UK and to suggest that we are becoming like that is ridiculous.
I have no affinity to any political party despite what some on here think.
In my opinion all politicians are the same and can’t be trusted.
I fully agree with your comments on the racism situation in Hungary and my post further up the thread in no way condones what goes on there.

I don’t think I suggested the uk is anything like Hungary did I? If I did it certain,y was not intended.
Hungary has about as much chance as being as democratic as the uk as Afghanistan has of being a Christian majority country.

It’s beggars belief that last nights game was played in front of a crowd at all. Another good example of the utter counterintuitive beurocracy involved in world football. Eufa and fifa on different planets. They still have a three match no crowd sanction in place I believe, but only for euro competition. Ridiculous.

Noone has suggested anything of the sort as far as I can see. And yes, it is an utter disgrace that they are allowed to play matches in front of fans. Full credit to Southgate and the players once again. Yet another reason to be very proud of them.

[wilts rover]

Dozens of posts a few weeks back condeming England players for making an anti-rascist gesture.

Hardly any condeming fans making racist gestures.

Under the new laws your friend would not now be able to come to the UK hound. Nor can you protest about it. Thats where fascism starts.

He escaped at the time of the 1956 revolution wilts.
I don’t ever think the UK will have anything similar to that.

I think you missed my point hound - if your friend were a refugee fleeing persecution in his home country he would not be allowed in the UK today.

[selby]

  There is hate of the British throughout the world, even by some in this country who were born here, some even give the impression of loathing of who and what we are on this forum, at one time we were respected and hated, now we are just hated, even those in this country who loath being British are hated just the same as everyone else.
  When the terrorists have struck, I don't think they have ever stopped and asked anyone if they are proud of being British or not, they have killed because they hate the very thing that you are, British.

[Filo]

  There is hate of the British throughout the world, even by some in this country who were born here, some even give the impression of loathing of who and what we are on this forum, at one time we were respected and hated, now we are just hated, even those in this country who loath being British are hated just the same as everyone else.
  When the terrorists have struck, I don't think they have ever stopped and asked anyone if they are proud of being British or not, they have killed because they hate the very thing that you are, British.

Where is the relevance in that post to Racism?

Is it just a random rant?

[Axholme Lion]

Do any real football fans take any interest in the England team any more? I was under the impression it had been hijacked into becoming a left wing pc virtue signalling device. Southgate is a cnut. He talks down to ordinary people telling them what they should think, say and do. The whole England set up is an embarrassing disgrace. If they really had any interest in standing up for the oppressed they would not go to Qatar for the World Cup. But they will go, more than happy to play in stadia built on the blood of workers. Absolute hypocritical scumbags.

[selby]

  No Filo, it might come as a surprise to you  but it's racism against the British, its prevalent throughout the world, and your no better thought of than any of the rest of us.

[SydneyRover]

  There is hate of the British throughout the world, even by some in this country who were born here, some even give the impression of loathing of who and what we are on this forum, at one time we were respected and hated, now we are just hated, even those in this country who loath being British are hated just the same as everyone else.
  When the terrorists have struck, I don't think they have ever stopped and asked anyone if they are proud of being British or not, they have killed because they hate the very thing that you are, British.

You really need to get out a bit more Selby, you don't like so many different peoples yourself including young people ffs, where on earth do you get your barmy ideas from. Because some including myself disagree with you on one level does not mean anything other than I disagree with you on that level and I would think most others are the same.

[Dr Fundlekrotch]

Couldn't agree more with most of your post NR. Hungary is a deeply problematic place and the behaviour of their fans reflects the traditions there and their current government. It's up to authorities to clamp down hard on this behaviour.

There won't be any clampdown in Hungary, though. And they've already shown that they would defy edicts from any outside organisation. 

There was a really good editorial in yesterday's Washington Post about the number of Republicans lining up behind Tucker Carlson of Fox News, who gave a fawning interview with Orban earlier in the week, marvelling at how he had 'solved' immigration.  The next Republican in the White House could well be pushing in that direction, and then the disease will be difficult to cure

[selby]

  Who says I don't like people Syd? I probably mix in a much more mixed group of people than yourself and have never had any reason or incident where I have fallen out with anyone because of where they are from or the colour of their skin, and have had a great time in their company. I have a firm belief that most people are better for knowing.
  The fact is that in this world this country is reviled by a lot of people, and people who live in this country and show it by what they write and the actions they are currently taking, showing their loathing of our history and what we stand for.
  Just because I disagree with some of the things you say, and think differently to you doesn't mean I am wrong.