Let's talk about the Wigan Athletic game

[selby]

  After last nights result and probably the performance it is easy to slag the manager the team and the performance off, but I can't see any point in that, and in some ways I was a lot happier at the end of the game than I was after some games last season, not being good enough I can accept and we were not on this occasion, but throwing the towel in which we did on more than one occasion last year I will not.
  So let's concentrate on what looked better, the front three for a start, Vilca will be a breath of fresh air I predict, he has skill and an edge to him like most South Americans, the other two lads are quick, physical, and run past and behind defenders, they will do OK especially if they improve their finishing.
  Smith in midfield tried his heart out in an area of the pitch where Rotherham dominated both numerically and physically, he never gave up challenging, showed a bit of a nasty streak and gave the impression he was here at least to try and play and match the opposition when fighting a losing battle.
  As a team we took a battering, but I never saw anyone give up, and I want to see that carried on into Saturdays game, and with some of our better skilled players back despite our league and results showing up to press, I do see progress being made and we now need a little luck to start to see better results.
  Wigan would not be the team I would have chosen to try to get the show on the road by the way, looking to have strengthened their squad well from last season, but it is a place in the past when we have come away with decent results when not expected, one on Saturday would be very welcome.
  How do you view our prospects?
  Who would you pick in the team?
  Who in their side do you rate?
  Are you seeing any green chutes of hope?
  Are you going to the game?
  It seems as though at the moment we are staggering from crisis to crisis, so lots to talk about in general and about this game, please have your say.

[sha66y]

A tough game, probably men against boys yet we have a video nasty to inspire our fledglings….” This is not how you win a game!”

I am genuinely confused by our set up I may add, we seem to be built for speed rather than battering, and this is our Achilles heal until it isn’t…

It takes a lot of game time and near misses to fine tune a “ limited contact” playing style….but SOD got it right ….eventually!

At the moment I’m starting to despise our fanbase and the lack of obvious connection they are struggling with……

Simple words like : rebuild, pain, loss, struggle, are not being devoured in the right context……perhaps this forum should close down this year and start again next, with a different vision and landscape…

To read how shit we are  thread after thread is soul destroying and culminates into a very negative thing……..

But I say if you pay your money you are entitled to your opinion!…. But it is only an opinion….

I think we will lose the game against Wigan but win the “ we need some strikers” battle…..

[Filo]

At the moment I’d rather not talk about any game!

[since-1969]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

[sha66y]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

Serious question!

Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
.

[steve@dcfd]

Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

Yawn. Thread says talk about the Wigan game. It didn't invite you to repeat the same old stuff about the board.

There's ample other threads for you to express your opinion on that matter.

I agree, it's going to be another tough day at the office, especially if we don't have John or Anderson still.

Hopefully, we'll have Pontus and Gilbraith back but even then, you'd expect Wigan to be too strong for us.

So, what sign of improvement are you hoping to see? Maybe some positive play in the final third, creating chances and the outside chance of us scoring a goal?

[Alan Southstand]

Another defeat.

[sha66y]

Another defeat.

I’m sure the Rovers won’t disappoint you !

[DonnyOsmond]

Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.

Who is Dahlgard?

[selby]

  Over the years I have watched Wyke play he has had good games when given the service from wide positions, but quite a passenger when when the service has been cut off.
  Part of our game plan must be to keep him out of the danger area, and give no stupid free kecks away for set pieces around our area, in fact we need to play on the front foot and as much of the game as possible in their half of the field in my opinion.

[normal rules]

Sky bet now have Wigan at 3/5 for the home win. Rovers 17/4.
I was hoping for at least even money on Wigan.
It’s going to be a very tough game. I’d take a draw right now.

[Colemans Left Hook]

Sky bet now have Wigan at 3/5 for the home win. Rovers 17/4.
I was hoping for at least even money on Wigan.
It’s going to be a very tough game. I’d take a draw right now.

f.f.s.       that makes Rovers about 5/2 to win meaning they would win 2 in 7 in a "perfect world"

have you got a different form book to everyone else (or is it upside down)

Rotherham should have beaten Wednesday -- Rotherham  lost to an injury  time goal at  Wigan
ironically next match Wigan conceed in injury time for a draw

in fact wigans league results are very impressive to date they haven't played a rubbish team (left the door open there for the professional moaners ) yet

full results
sunderland 2 wigan 1
wigan 1 rotherham 0
wigan 1 wycombe 1
charlton 0 wigan 2
wigan 1 portsmouth 0


CLH realises "Rotherham Giants" are the best team in this division at this moment in time
Smith stayed and they got that extra striker they are very serious contenders - and  they basically had the "lucky reserves " playing last night  only 3 starters from the last match

forget their geographical location and get real

update
and i forget about Charlie Wyke and his "foreplay"

[steve@dcfd]

Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.

Who is Dahlgard?

He’s better than Jones but not as good as Dahlberg

[since-1969]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

Serious question!

Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
.

Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation  season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no  Zip and just holes in the arse !!

[sha66y]

Positive we'll have Dalhgard back.
Defence will have Knoyle back the rest the same if John is still not available. Overall certainly not good enough without Anderson’s experience.
Midfield should have Galbraith back I would play two players in front of back four which will have to be Galbraith and Bostock. The third player if fit will be Close if not Smith.
If all fit then Hiwula and Dodoo it’s a choice between Seaman and Vilca for the other.
Do we play 4231 to give us better stability and match up to Wigan.
We need to be stronger at the back to stop Wykes heading.
Expectations no idea can’t see anything but a defeat without Anderson back.

Who is Dahlgard?

He’s better than Jones but not as good as Dahlberg

Acceptable recovery!

[ForsolongaRover]

People might think I am being facetious, but there could be some advantage to us as Wigan try to figure out what they might expect from Rovers. I think I would be hard put to know.

Cynics might say that whatever we produce will be comfortably countered.

For us though, the unexpected may be our only source of hope. (Someone mentioned Dickov recently and there were a few times we won in his time when it was difficult to believe how!)

[sha66y]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

Serious question!

Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
.

Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation  season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no  Zip and just holes in the arse !!

Phewwwwwww!
So from all that I glean you want a more accurate assessment from the board as to were we realistically should finish based upon the amount of funds available?

I guess you also want the board to tell us that RW was an economy buy, and would himself be working under a very tight budget that might not be enough o repair the damage caused by previous managers, but may also not be enough to be able to bring in the players we need to survive in this division !

Seems fare enough!

[sha66y]

People might think I am being facetious, but there could be some advantage to us as Wigan try to figure out what they might expect from Rovers. I think I would be hard put to know.

Cynics might say that whatever we produce will be comfortably countered.

For us though, the unexpected may be our only source of hope. (Someone mentioned Dickov recently and there were a few times we won in his time when it was difficult to believe how!)

Nobody will think you facetious, however they require a little more meat on the bone to agree!.....to on, go for it!

[Spilsby Red]

1-0 win.  Dodoo to score.

[since-1969]

I don’t see us getting anything out the Wigan game . Recent results  can effect performances and Performances can effect results , it’s a cycle of cause and  effect , Rovers cycle has its roots back to the sale of both those players Marquis and recently Whiteman, key components in a quality side looking to get promotion. Sort out the long term interest of investment in players can only win over the supporters who feel cheated of promotion last season when the club couldn’t keep Darren Moore or his two predecessors due the boards attitude of not being prepared to invest with long term gains in-mind only short term shuffling of finances . 

Serious question!

Are you not enjoying supporting Rovers at the minute, and if not……what will need to happen to make you happy again
.

Good question.. Some honesty from the board who have taken liberties with the sales of players and why they can’t keep the managers they appointed . Did they mislead them or promise that they could leave at the first opportunity! As a supporter of over 50 years I was disappointed in the lack of effort to give it real go last season , when the opportunity was there inspite of Moore leaving . ( Water under a bridge now) but to start a new season with massive gaps in the squad and the probably the ONLY honest admission that this will be a consolidation  season . Yet it’s fast becoming a relegation struggle because of its presumption that you can just invoke consolidation as aright without realising it means loosing games and all that entails. Watching an amateur manager struggle to put over his views on the pitch and listen to his excuses off are getting to point , if this was a pair of trousers that I’d purchased instead of a season ticket , I’d have taken the back as they do not look or feel right with no  Zip and just holes in the arse !!

Phewwwwwww!
So from all that I glean you want a more accurate assessment from the board as to were we realistically should finish based upon the amount of funds available?

I guess you also want the board to tell us that RW was an economy buy, and would himself be working under a very tight budget that might not be enough o repair the damage caused by previous managers, but may also not be enough to be able to bring in the players we need to survive in this division !

Seems fare enough!

That about covers it .Oh yes.. our defence has not been improved since we lost James , Halliday and Wright and now we have major injury worries on that front ,  And it would be better to have our keeper as-well , and every time we get a loan one they get recalled and we end up with Lewis !!

[ForsolongaRover]

Sha66y

I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.

[since-1969]

Sha66y

I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.

All anyone can hope is that it’s better behind the scenes then on the pitch . I’ve not known a season like this since the early conference days when Snoddin was in charge .

[sha66y]

Sha66y

I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.

Ahhhhhh I get it!
You think that if we don’t have a settled plan and style of play, this might work in our favour , because Wigan won’t know either?

Let’s hope so!

[sha66y]

Sha66y

I cannot say what I expect because, possibly like you, I genuinely have not worked out what the plan is.

All anyone can hope is that it’s better behind the scenes then on the pitch . I’ve not known a season like this since the early conference days when Snoddin was in charge .

I’d like to think that throughout all this turmoil , our back room and hierarchy are ahead of the curve , and this Is just the pain of redeveloping a squad for next year ….not this

[Colemans Left Hook]

i always thought he stocked up on decent forwards especially loanees e.g. my friend the Admiral (who was back up and didnt play much ) to loanee Doyle and that bloke from Doncaster who is at Blackpool

and the wait for it the plan was to score one or more goals than the opposition  !!  this was when swindon won the division

[selby]

  I like that lad called Smith, we were totally over run in midfield, we were second best every factor of the game in that area, they were bigger, faster, better and more experienced than we were but that lad never gave up trying, covered loads of ground, and should have had a goal to his name when he made a great run into the box, but failed to finish it off.
 Give me players like that, he will only get better, has an edge to his game and attitude which when you are getting a battering like we did says  a lot about character and a willingness to do well.

[Scooter]

I’m going for a 1-1 draw. Show signs of improvement step by step. Dodoo to score against his old club. Midfield should be improved if Galbraith plays.
It depends who plays centre back. Hopefully we have John available
Either way I’m going and looking forward to it

[normal rules]

Fully expect to get beat again. But I won’t be calling for the managers head, or be questioning of the boards perceived lack of investment, like some do if the inevitable happens again.
I’ve hunkered down for a struggle this season. Backs to the wall time.
I’d be very very happy with a draw. And ecstatic with anything better.
Come on rovers. We will be with you all the way.

[steve@dcfd]

If Anderson and John still not available and we can’t get a slightly experienced CH on short term deal that’s up to Richie, CEO and Chairman. The it will be Williams and Horton both still young for one just 23 and the other just 21 both had birthdays last seven days. It was always said that Williams would learn off the experience of Anderson unfortunately his ankle problems have taken over.
Therefore the midfield need to protect them best they can. Galbraith should help Bostock allowing Close or Smith to work with forwards. Can’t see anything but a defeat but would like to see us score.