Let's talk about the Wigan Athletic game

[normal rules]

Three shots , only one on target.

[since-1969]

We can just take this game as the one nobody wanted to play in as todays performance suggests .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Thank Christ Wigan's finishing was absolutely crap. That was as comprehensive a 1-2 defeat as you will ever see. Their keeper touched the ball twice in the second half. Once for a goal kick and once from a header back to him from a defender.

[Pside]

It seems to be getting worse rather than better. I hope there is an upturn soon before confidence is total shot

[Chris the Rover]

We will win next Saturday. I can feel it in my water.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

The only way is up.

Keep the faith. These lads are still getting to know each other.

[since-1969]

It seems to be getting worse rather than better. I hope there is an upturn soon before confidence is total shot

Was Bostock not fit enough to start? . Wigan out fought Rovers all over the pitch , Dahkberg saved us from another thrashing with some brilliant saves . Lacked any real threat upfront and their set pieces had us panicking with all our player in our own six yard box every time they took a corner.

[TheFunk]

Besides not having Taylor or Anderson that was our first choice team. The difference to last season's loanees can be summed by two men with one name.

[Lesonthewest]

Chasing shadows all afternoon, what's concerning is we are miles away from the very good performances against Wednesday & Portsmouth, we seem to be going backwards, don't let the scoreline fool anyone, that was a 2-1 battering.

[Canadian Rover]

Maybe Wellens should be the one frozen out of training and not Bogle.

[since-1969]

Have we heard from Wellens yet ?

[EasyforDennis]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

[RoversAlias]

Besides not having Taylor or Anderson that was our first choice team. The difference to last season's loanees can be summed by two men with one name.

No Okenabirhie either, no Cameron John who I would argue is better than in one or two positions than those on the pitch today. Possibly argue Bostock in midfield as well rather than, say, Smith.

Not that I'm excusing things.

[TheFunk]

I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.

[DonnyOsmond]

I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.

Why not? He's played as a defensive midfielder all of his career.

[BigH]

I agree they are better but I was meaning Richie's first choice. Bostock would be most clubs first name on the teamsheet because most clubs wouldn't play him as a holding midfielder.

Hate to say it but he's one-paced and his class on the ball is too good for the players around him. This means i) that he doesn't make ground with the ball; and ii) more often than not no one makes the run for him to pick them out. As a result the play often slows when he's in possession, our moves break down and the ball gets nicked back by the opposition or they get to regroup.

However, I do think that if he were to stay up in the final third and gel with Hiwula and Fej then it could be good times. The challenge would then be to find a midfield mester who could feed him.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

[Campsall rover]

Really disappointed in the 2nd half yesterday. We just had no cohesion, pattern of the play and created precisely nothing. We fizzled out completely late in the game when we should have been bombarding the Wigan goal.

1st half we gave as good as we got and apart from set pieces Wigan created nothing. We had another chance to go 2-1 ahead.

We need that win to build confidence. Any old scrappy win will do.

[wilts rover]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.

[wilts rover]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.

So when someone writes 'we saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros' the fact there weren't young loan players up against established pros proves the point! OK, if thats what you want to believe.

[steve@dcfd]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.

So whose going to provide the extra funds which would. bring in a good defensive midfield player and another midfield player instead of the loans.

[sedwardsdrfc]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.

So when someone writes 'we saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros' the fact there weren't young loan players up against established pros proves the point! OK, if thats what you want to believe.

Fair enough maybe not the point from yesterday’s game but as a squad over the season I’d say it’s still relevant to us as it was last season

[sedwardsdrfc]

I am getting slightly concerned as I didn't think we was half as bad as some on here are saying.
We saw the downside today of having so many young loan players up against established pros.

Disappointing thing is we saw the down side of the loan players last season. Everyone said we learnt from it

We had two outfield players on loan in our staring XI - Wigan had one.

So of our loan players only half are good enough to get in the team? The way we’re playing? The fact they can’t get in the team doesn’t make the argument against less valid.

So whose going to provide the extra funds which would. bring in a good defensive midfield player and another midfield player instead of the loans.

Not about extra funds about using what we have better. Loans are fine adding to a already established squad.

I’d say the signings of Gardener and Barlow seem a waste. Matt Smith is not the type of player we needed in midfield it was clear. The struggles in midfield aren’t injury related just bad recruitment. Take those 3 signings out and the striker who is overweight (WTF is that about) and yes there would be funds to sign a couple of players. Not works beaters but players who know the league sbd have a bit of nouse which is needed.

[steve@dcfd]

If we would have signed permanent midfield players I’m not sure their cost. The selection team of chairman, CEO, TIM, Richie and Copps must have decided that the two young loans in Smith and Cukur were more cost effective with the money they had to spend. Richie said he couldn’t get a permanent goalkeeper as they start at £1500 a week. So signing two midfield players with league one experience would have been more than that each. Looking at the start of the season if we hadn’t signed Barlow, Gardner both were cheap options and Cukur we would not have had a front three. The selection team used the funds we have to maximise the squad.
What was and is wrong the signing of six young players that also taken up the budget.
The medical team at the club for not checking on Taylor and Okenbirhie through the summer so the first they knew about them was when they returned and both where not ready.
So yes I like you are not sure on the players you’ve mentioned. But I do not believe there were sufficient funds at that time when decisions were made to allow the signing of two league 1 standard midfield players.
Let’s be fair since MCCann left who have two managers been able to sign permanently that were better than the players he had. Got ask the question why?
We couldn’t even keep players we had as they would not sign contracts offered in the last two/ three years.