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Quote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2021, 09:49:39 pmQuoteEven Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.I never said that .Keith is on camera at a Labour leadership hustings sticking his hand in the air when asked if he is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .Is there anything he campaign on that he's not backtracked on ? .This isn't about left , right or centre although Keith has made it so .This is about standing on the fundamentals you were elected to stand on .If this was a Tory you and Sydney would be ripping him to pieces , the colour of his rosette doesn't alter the fact he's a liar , a democracy denier and an extremely limited leader who has to taken the party to a place where it daren't be the party it's supposed to be and so therefore has little to say .Next on his hit list will be Ed who is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .Mark my words .Billy I want to vote for him , I really do even if I have to hold my nose but this clown makes even that highly unlikely .He's everything the party shouldn't be .
QuoteEven Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.
Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 04, 2021, 08:56:34 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 03, 2021, 11:40:52 pmIt's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?It's about taking power away from the Tories .Well it is if the alternative is better and there's nothing to suggest that the Labour Party are that .The Tories are more likely to nationalise the energy companies than Labour given Keith's latest backtrack .They've recently taken a railway back in to public ownership because it was in trouble .Absorb that fact .Keith says now is not the time to be talking about nationalising the energy companies .Well when would be a good time , when the fecking lights go out or the elderly freeze to death this winter ?Your the Labour Party leader you clown you aren't supposed to believe in the total free market you absolute moron .Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .How can doing nothing be a better alternative Sydney ?Your supposed to be opposing and providing credible alternatives .Plenty to be going on with Sydney at the moment and Keith can't think of one single credible alternative policy .Tell you why in my opinion and it is only my opinion .He's too shyte scared to be left where the real ideas are and more concerned on not being Corbyn .The place he's dragged the party is devoid of any ideas or policies that cut through .We are the centre now and not those nasty left wing types .The public say , so what .I'm surprised you support or even discuss McCluskey as he's a liar too, doesn't look like you have many you can rely on tyke.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 03, 2021, 11:40:52 pmIt's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?It's about taking power away from the Tories .Well it is if the alternative is better and there's nothing to suggest that the Labour Party are that .The Tories are more likely to nationalise the energy companies than Labour given Keith's latest backtrack .They've recently taken a railway back in to public ownership because it was in trouble .Absorb that fact .Keith says now is not the time to be talking about nationalising the energy companies .Well when would be a good time , when the fecking lights go out or the elderly freeze to death this winter ?Your the Labour Party leader you clown you aren't supposed to believe in the total free market you absolute moron .Even Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .How can doing nothing be a better alternative Sydney ?Your supposed to be opposing and providing credible alternatives .Plenty to be going on with Sydney at the moment and Keith can't think of one single credible alternative policy .Tell you why in my opinion and it is only my opinion .He's too shyte scared to be left where the real ideas are and more concerned on not being Corbyn .The place he's dragged the party is devoid of any ideas or policies that cut through .We are the centre now and not those nasty left wing types .The public say , so what .
It's about winning and taking power from the tories, and yourself tyke it appears only jc has matched your criteria for 'good' leadership since you arrived at voting age and look how well that went?You wouldn't support Andy Burnham for the job either cos that would make him a liar, wouldn't it tyke?
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 04, 2021, 10:15:24 pmQuote from: BillyStubbsTears on October 04, 2021, 09:49:39 pmQuoteEven Brown had the nous the bring the banks in to public ownership following the 2008 crash and he was about as left wing as Keith Joseph .And here we go again. Playground stuff. If you're not as left wing as me, you're a Tory.I never said that .Keith is on camera at a Labour leadership hustings sticking his hand in the air when asked if he is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .Is there anything he campaign on that he's not backtracked on ? .This isn't about left , right or centre although Keith has made it so .This is about standing on the fundamentals you were elected to stand on .If this was a Tory you and Sydney would be ripping him to pieces , the colour of his rosette doesn't alter the fact he's a liar , a democracy denier and an extremely limited leader who has to taken the party to a place where it daren't be the party it's supposed to be and so therefore has little to say .Next on his hit list will be Ed who is in favour of nationalising the energy companies .Mark my words .Billy I want to vote for him , I really do even if I have to hold my nose but this clown makes even that highly unlikely .He's everything the party shouldn't be .You keep on making things up to suit your own narrative tyke, there is enough in the Guardian almost every day 90% true the rest opinion and a whole heap in the bbc about them to overwhelm the forum's server if I/we wanted.
OK nome the people at present that you could vote for, JC changed his mind several times (lied) if not more.I'm just off out love ................Can you pick up some bread .................Sure, I'll get one of those dark crusty loaves from that new shop that's opened up.......................................Hi darlin' I'm home ...............Did you go to the new bread shop?Well no, I went to the bookies and met Len, we went for a couple of pints so I picked up a mother's pride from the corner shop.Liar.
Tyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:25:37 pmOK nome the people at present that you could vote for, JC changed his mind several times (lied) if not more.I'm just off out love ................Can you pick up some bread .................Sure, I'll get one of those dark crusty loaves from that new shop that's opened up.......................................Hi darlin' I'm home ...............Did you go to the new bread shop?Well no, I went to the bookies and met Len, we went for a couple of pints so I picked up a mother's pride from the corner shop.Liar.He didn't lie to win the leadership did he .You knew what he stood for at least economically .Now you may have disliked him , disagreed with him but you knew what he stood behind .He gave the party an identity .Weak man and some pretty unsavoury meetings with equally unsavoury people was his nemesis but not what he stood on .Starmer will not get near his 2017 vote share , not a chance .I'd give Rayner a go , it's not exactly a particularly great pool to choose from to be totally honest but none the less if you insist on pinning me down .
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:36:22 pmTyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.Ah the old all politicians lie retort .So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?Yes or no will suffice .
Tyke.You said it in your own words that I quoted. Everything else is meaningless in this discussion if you start from the premise that Brown was as left wing as Keith Joseph.
for you tyke''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? .................. ..........................''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''well, I'll go to owr ouse.https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/
Quote from: tyke1962 on October 04, 2021, 10:41:48 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:36:22 pmTyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.Ah the old all politicians lie retort .So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?Yes or no will suffice .You argue as a child does tyke
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 05, 2021, 01:22:06 amfor you tyke''Jeremy Corbyn is one of the most misunderstood leaders in the UK Labour party’s history. Immensely popular with voters, but loathed by the party establishment, neither the British press, nor the Cameron government, know quite what to do with him.Matthew Tempest spoke to Rosa Prince, the author of the new Corbyn biography, Comrade Corbyn, about his personal history, and what the Corbyn phenomenon says about UK politics.Rosa Prince is a former political correspondent for the Daily Mirror and the Daily Telegraph in London. Her biography of the Labour leader, Jeremy Corbyn, is published by BiteBack Publishing.Many readers might be surprised to learn that the new leader of the Labour party actually voted to pull out of the EU in the 1970s, and voted against the Maastricht treaty of 1993. What has changed his mind? .................. ..........................''And yes, you’re right, Jeremy Corbyn’s been a little later than most to change his mind. Even as late as the early stages of the leadership election last summer, he was still saying he could see circumstances where he might vote, even campaign, to leave''well, I'll go to owr ouse.https://www.euractiv.com/section/uk-europe/interview/corbyn-biographer-how-the-labour-leader-changed-his-mind-on-brexit/Did he campaign to remain along with Cameron ?Never saw him share a stage with him once in 2016 .Cameron even criticised him for not doing his bit .Trying to compare him to Keith is plain silly .From a backbench position in the 1970's when the Labour Party and trade unions were anti common market to leader of the Party over 30 years later when 95% were EU fanatics isn't a fair comparisons when compared to Keith campaigning to nationalise the energy companies in a leadership campaign .Then changing his mind 12 months later as leader at a time the energy companies are going bust and consumers are facing massive price increases with a winter to face .
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:49:12 pmQuote from: tyke1962 on October 04, 2021, 10:41:48 pmQuote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:36:22 pmTyke I sometimes wonder about you, you don't appear to have a political bone in your brain.When you run out of fact you start with insults that only to confirm the 'gammon' tag that has been thrown around, and you don't make political sense.Everyone changes their minds, but in business and politics if you don't to some extent you'd be dead in the water quick smart, I'll wager my £100 to your £50 to go to the food bank that you cannot name a front bench politician that has never changed their minds at some point.What would be the point in taking a policy to an election if you know it will cost you that election.Ah the old all politicians lie retort .So Johnson gets a free pass too then ?Yes or no will suffice .You argue as a child does tykeWhose throwing insults around now ?
You may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learn
Quote from: SydneyRover on October 04, 2021, 10:40:28 pmYou may as well go and read the sun in the toilet tyke because you don't listen and you don;t learnThe Sun? You mean the one Starmer wrote an article for the other day, thus adding the City of Liverpool to all the other areas of the North that will never vote for him?I don't think it's Tyke that's not listening and learning.
This thread shows why as poor as the Conservatives are why they will probably win the next election.
I’ve extracted this comment from the Pandora papers thread link but I think it pretty much sums things up nicely.Keir Starmer’s Labour party is a manifestation of a “woke” metropolitan elite utterly alien to the “red wall” voters who flocked to the Tories at the last election.