Well...

[PDX_Rover]

I just turned off watching the Charlton game after their 4th goal went in. That's maybe the third time I've turned off a game because it's so f**king bad.

I know we were told before the season started that this was going to be a consolidation season. So I had few expectations. And I was prepared to give Richie a chance because clearly, he has a vision, he obviously reads the game well. And yes, we have had injuries and this, that and the other.

It's one thing to have a vision. It's another entirely to translate that onto the pitch.

I'm sitting here watching (or was) a team that is absent of any fight, drive, passion, game management capability. It's hard to stomach. There is zero confidence. The passing is terrible. We can't tackle. We can't create anything. It's like a group of amateur strangers just turned up randomly for a game of football against a team of professional men.

We are in a big mess. HUGE.

I want Richie Wellens to succeed. But it's increasingly hard to see how that is going to happen. I know SO'D struggled that one season until we hammered Forest away on Boxing Day and then we were unbeatable... But then the personnel we had then were miles ahead of the team we have now. Light years.

Taking into account that we knew this would be a challenging season, do we keep faith with the vision, see what January brings through the door? I'm assuming that players are already being sounded out and lined up. Or do we say enough is enough now and pull the plug and get somebody else in before January?

I'm completely conflicted here. I'd hate to be an owner right now.

[i_ateallthepies]

My opinion, it's the Club Management that are presiding over this shit show.  They have decided to drive the sustainability model before it is ready, screw down the spending because we'll be alright.
Going well isn't it?.

[Chris Black come back]

It’s absolutely terrible more often than not. Truly dreadful. I don’t think we can be sacking managers though after 15 league games.

[PDX_Rover]

It’s absolutely terrible more often than not. Truly dreadful. I don’t think we can be sacking managers though after 15 league games.

I’m in agreement. My heart and head say he needs more time.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

15 league games is a third of a season and still we are in the bottom 2 and getting beat away every time.

[RTID!!!]

It’s absolutely terrible more often than not. Truly dreadful. I don’t think we can be sacking managers though after 15 league games.

I’m in agreement. My heart and head say he needs more time.

Watch clips of him speaking to the press on the club's youtube channel, he does not give the impression that he would be able to do a thing with more time.

[edlored]

when we  go down its still a complete rebuild because the present team would struggle so the rotation of players continues

[Alan Southstand]

He doesn’t need time - he, or whoever is next up - needs backing.

End of!

[sedwardsdrfc]

Can’t demand people throw more money at the club. If they want sustainability then that’s what we get.

What I don’t buy is that our management prepared for the season well or that they are getting the best out of what they have.

[BessieBlue]

I have a few beers in me in London at the moment but make no mistake we were well outclassed this afternoon.

There are some teams who are in a different league to us this season - Charlton being one such team.

The key is how we perform against the teams closer to our ability - we have to recognise that!

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Disagree completely. Every game is winnable in this league. We were ahead at Wigan and Plymouth for example and because we are just so shit at defending, we came away with nothing. Could have taken 6 points there for a start.

No team should be gifted 3 points in this league or games written off because they are a bigger club than us. None of them.

Poor attitude.

Hats off to you for making the trip today though and respect for that.

[BillyStubbsTears]

He doesn’t need time - he, or whoever is next up - needs backing.

End of!

He was given backing I'm the transfer window. Money was made available over and above the pre-agreed budget.

We signed Dodoo on a 2 year contract...

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

He doesn’t need time - he, or whoever is next up - needs backing.

End of!

He was given backing I'm the transfer window. Money was made available over and above the pre-agreed budget.

We signed Dodoo on a 2 year contract...

Agree

Big mistake putting Dodoo on a 2 year deal, given that every club he has played for has chosen to release him after a year.

[dickos1]

He doesn’t need time - he, or whoever is next up - needs backing.

End of!

He was given backing I'm the transfer window. Money was made available over and above the pre-agreed budget.

We signed Dodoo on a 2 year contract...

He was backed with a few hours left of the transfer window. If this money was provided 2 weeks earlier we’d have got a better player in.
It wasn’t so all that was left available was players without a club.

That’s not being backed

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

[belton rover]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

That’s a question you either: A:know the answer to or, B: you are just being a WUM.

[dickos1]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

[Colin C No.3]

Get real, when Rotherham came in for Grigg what do you think his thought process might have been?…..’

‘Mmmm…I could go to a club that has just come down from The Championship, has a greater fan base, has a more stable managerial status all of that combining with a greater opportunity to be playing Championship football again next season & an even bigger salary or Doncaster Rovers.

Give me one second to think & a great deal longer to keep them ‘fighting’ for my signature as the stakes rise.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

Hold on. We knew 8 days before deadline day that Bogle had refused to move. So what happened for that last week? We still intended to sign Grigg but Wellens had no money? And then the money magically aooeared with hours to go? That sounds like a major breakdown in communication.

[dickos1]

Get real, when Rotherham came in for Grigg what do you think his thought process might have been?…..’

‘Mmmm…I could go to a club that has just come down from The Championship, has a greater fan base, has a more stable managerial status all of that combining with a greater opportunity to be playing Championship football again next season & an even bigger salary or Doncaster Rovers.

Give me one second to think & a great deal longer to keep them ‘fighting’ for my signature as the stakes rise.

I think you’re completely missing the point!
If we’d sorted the deal when it was agreed with Sunderland then Rotherham weren’t on the scene

[Bentley Bullet]

Get real, when Rotherham came in for Grigg what do you think his thought process might have been?…..’

‘Mmmm…I could go to a club that has just come down from The Championship, has a greater fan base, has a more stable managerial status all of that combining with a greater opportunity to be playing Championship football again next season & an even bigger salary or Doncaster Rovers.

Give me one second to think & a great deal longer to keep them ‘fighting’ for my signature as the stakes rise.

You'd have thought Rovers policy of sustainability would have been irresistible to him and swung it for his signature, despite better offers elsewhere!

[dickos1]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

Hold on. We knew 8 days before deadline day that Bogle had refused to move. So what happened for that last week? We still intended to sign Grigg but Wellens had no money? And then the money magically aooeared with hours to go? That sounds like a major breakdown in communication.

Bogle refused a move to Grimsby, he was still willing to move just not to them.
And yes that’s exactly what happened, money was made available on deadline day

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Why aren't we making Bogle earn his money? Get him cleaning the bogs and selling programmes or something. Useless cnut.

[The Beast]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

Hold on. We knew 8 days before deadline day that Bogle had refused to move. So what happened for that last week? We still intended to sign Grigg but Wellens had no money? And then the money magically aooeared with hours to go? That sounds like a major breakdown in communication.

Grigg’s transfer was always going to go until on the last day. Why do you think nearly all the transfers happen on the last day? It’s brinksmanship the agents play the game it’s an auction. To be honest I don’t think Grigg would be the answer, he’s a poacher, we don’t create chances, we need someone like Marquis who’s going to work his b*llocks off, he’d have cost us a fortune and not given much back.
At the moment we need resilience and a lot of patience.

[dickos1]

Not nearly all the transfers go through on the last day, there’s plenty go through throughout the month.

Anyhow the deal was all agreed, we just needed to provide the funds.
And wellens can’t be blamed for the o brien fiasco

[BillyStubbsTears]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

Hold on. We knew 8 days before deadline day that Bogle had refused to move. So what happened for that last week? We still intended to sign Grigg but Wellens had no money? And then the money magically aooeared with hours to go? That sounds like a major breakdown in communication.

Bogle refused a move to Grimsby, he was still willing to move just not to them.
And yes that’s exactly what happened, money was made available on deadline day

But hold on again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/richie-wellens-on-omar-bogles-future-at-doncaster-rovers-after-he-rejected-chance-to-leave-3357363%3famp

Wellens was pretty much resigned to Bogle staying put a full week before deadline day.

If the option of new money being available in that case was open (and it was, because that's what happened) then someone was playing a high risk game over that last week by either not communicating that, or not using that money.

[The Beast]

Why aren't we making Bogle earn his money? Get him cleaning the bogs and selling programmes or something. Useless cnut.

Don’t be ridiculous, he’s paid to play football. Which of the players are earning their money?
We’ve got defenders who can’t head a ball and attackers who can’t trap a bag of sand and don’t know the offside rule.
But apart from that, we’ll stay up, keep the faith, Northern Soul!

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Why aren't we making Bogle earn his money? Get him cleaning the bogs and selling programmes or something. Useless cnut.

Don’t be ridiculous, he’s paid to play football. Which of the players are earning their money?
We’ve got defenders who can’t head a ball and attackers who can’t trap a bag of sand and don’t know the offside rule.
But apart from that, we’ll stay up, keep the faith, Northern Soul!

Haha yeah. Fair point Beast. Just frustrating innit? The whole Bogle saga.

[Colin C No.3]

Get real, when Rotherham came in for Grigg what do you think his thought process might have been?…..’

‘Mmmm…I could go to a club that has just come down from The Championship, has a greater fan base, has a more stable managerial status all of that combining with a greater opportunity to be playing Championship football again next season & an even bigger salary or Doncaster Rovers.

Give me one second to think & a great deal longer to keep them ‘fighting’ for my signature as the stakes rise.

I think you’re completely missing the point!
If we’d sorted the deal when it was agreed with Sunderland then Rotherham weren’t on the scene

Me missing the point! Get real.

Players like Grigg know full well how to ‘play the system’.

He hung us out like a kipper! And if Richie with all the dealings he’s had with clubs, agents & players of the ilk of Grigg’s couldn’t see the writing on the wall then more fool him….or those like you who thought we ‘simply didn’t move quickly enough’

Jeez!

[dickos1]

Did he ask a couple of weeks earlier?

Yes,
If you took any notice of what was happening then you’d know the deal was agreed weeks before to sign grigg but we couldn’t complete the deal until we got rid of some players.
On deadline day they decided to give him the money anyway and it turned out to be too late

Hold on. We knew 8 days before deadline day that Bogle had refused to move. So what happened for that last week? We still intended to sign Grigg but Wellens had no money? And then the money magically aooeared with hours to go? That sounds like a major breakdown in communication.

Bogle refused a move to Grimsby, he was still willing to move just not to them.
And yes that’s exactly what happened, money was made available on deadline day

But hold on again.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/richie-wellens-on-omar-bogles-future-at-doncaster-rovers-after-he-rejected-chance-to-leave-3357363%3famp

Wellens was pretty much resigned to Bogle staying put a full week before deadline day.

If the option of new money being available in that case was open (and it was, because that's what happened) then someone was playing a high risk game over that last week by either not communicating that, or not using that money.

I can’t see where it says in that article he’s resigned to him not leaving.
It says he’s urging him to take one of the offers