North Shropshire

[tyke1962]

Lib Dems take it from the Tories , I think Bunter's a gonna in the new year personally .

[rich1471]

Just seen this ,they held that seat for 200 years with a massive majority, he will be gone soon

[Filo]

34.2% swing to the Liddems, that is massive, Johnson is toast, no doubt about it

[normal rules]

Nightmare before Xmas for bojo.

[Donnywolf]

YES ...and oh the irony of it .

If JOHNSON hadnt tried to "save" his sleazy mate by trying to abolish the Committee that punished him with 30 day ban which originally he did ...

There would NOT have been a huge backlash which Johnson clearly didnt expect

That forced a 24 hour U turn

Johnson then threw Paterson to the wolves - and HE then resigned

So that forced a By Election [effectively made by Johnson]

... and a huge embarrassing defeat last hight in that By election - putting him right in firing line next

Oh and if he had done nowt to defend Paterson in first place his 30 days are up and he would be back in HOC and Johnson wouldnt be in such deep s**t

[normal rules]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

[SydneyRover]

Of course it could have been better for labour but there's no getting away from the trashing of the tories, that's the headline. Yet another record broken by the tories, the last being the worst set of books for 300 hundred years, they deserve every bit of this and more, they have treated the British public with utter contempt.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The Tories have won a seat they've never held and lost one they've never lost this year. Shows how fickle by elections can be.

[Pancho Regan]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

I suspect a large number of Labour voters either didn't vote or 'lent' their vote to the Lib Dems in order to defeat the Tories.

This is a huge defeat for Boris and the Tory Grandees will be sharpening their knives this morning.

As an aside, I thought Helen Morgan sounded nervous in her speech after the declaration. She was reading the speech rather than delivering it with gusto, which in my opinion missed an opportunity to really rub salt in Boris's wounds.

[Filo]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

My take on that, is a lot of Labour voters lent the Lib Dems their vote, not a great disaster for them in the Grand Scheme of things really

[SydneyRover]

I wonder if johnson will show the 1922 committee one of his model buses at the next meeting.

[Ldr]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

My take on that. A lot of ppl who want rid of the tories don’t see Labour as the answer

[normal rules]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

My take on that, is a lot of Labour voters lent the Lib Dems their vote, not a great disaster for them in the Grand Scheme of things really

There is also an argument that a lot of Tory voters just abstained and could not be bothered voting.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

This is a huge swing away from a very safe Tory seat and is without doubt a political hammer blow to bojo.
I looked at the figures though compared to the 2019 GE outcome.
It’s not a good sign for Labour either.
They got 12495 votes in 2019
Yesterday they got 3686.
The turnouts were different of course but Labour have gone from 22% of the vote to just around 10%.
Meanwhile the tories have gone from 62% of the vote to around 30%.
So both red and blue have halved their vote percentage.

My take on that, is a lot of Labour voters lent the Lib Dems their vote, not a great disaster for them in the Grand Scheme of things really

There is also an argument that a lot of Tory voters just abstained and could not be bothered voting.

Even further. A lot of Tories lent their votes aswell, a few of those interviewed this morning in the press too who'd voted against this time but admitted in a general election they wouldn't. Always the way with by elections but it sends a clear message.  Don't things move fast?

I wouldn't read too much in to labour either, it's not really a labour area and likely never will be.

[normal rules]

This is a protest vote. Nothing more , nothing less.
 

[SydneyRover]

I don't think we can know that with certainty till the next one

[drfchound]

It is a protest vote, more than likely against Boris than the Tories.
I said a couple of weeks ago that he will be gone soon and this kind of reinforces my thoughts on that.
There will be much celebrating by Labour when he does get the boot but realisation that his replacement (probably Sunak) will do a much better job and make it harder for Labour, or the Libs, to make any headway.

[normal rules]

This could, in time, be a blessing in disguise for the tories.

[SydneyRover]

I'm never sure about the vox pops as the numbers can obviously be manipulated but the great majority I saw were those saying they had had enough of various players in the tory party. A few saying they liked him, he spoke his mind, johnson that is, they must like a bit of racism and abuse with their tea.

The turnout was down around 18000 votes. The LD candidate said that they had campaigned on other issues other than the tory party.

[Glyn_Wigley]

It is a protest vote, more than likely against Boris than the Tories.
I said a couple of weeks ago that he will be gone soon and this kind of reinforces my thoughts on that.
There will be much celebrating by Labour when he does get the boot but realisation that his replacement (probably Sunak) will do a much better job and make it harder for Labour, or the Libs, to make any headway.

As useless as Boris is, he's a brilliant election campaigner. I can't see any of his prospective replacements being as good.

[Filo]

The truth of the matter is this is one of the safest Tory seats in the Country, Tory in almost 200 years, it’s a massive statement of opinion against the current regime, a 34.2% swing replicated all over the Country would wipe them out

[SydneyRover]

Celebrations in this house, I hope they are waiting with baseball bats for johnson, for the covid response alone.

[Glyn_Wigley]

The truth of the matter is this is one of the safest Tory seats in the Country, Tory in almost 200 years, it’s a massive statement of opinion against the current regime, a 34.2% swing replicated all over the Country would wipe them out

The 'Red Wall' MPs will be shitting themselves and probably be the first in the queue to stick the knife in.

[BVB]

This is a protest vote. Nothing more , nothing less.

Those Tories who put their heads above the parapet this morning telling us that the peoples’ priorities are Covid / levelling up etc.

Clearly they speak for “the people”.

[drfchound]

The truth of the matter is this is one of the safest Tory seats in the Country, Tory in almost 200 years, it’s a massive statement of opinion against the current regime, a 34.2% swing replicated all over the Country would wipe them out

The 'Red Wall' MPs will be shitting themselves and probably be the first in the queue to stick the knife in.

I agree with that Glyn.
Politics is a vicious game to be in and people will stick the knife in to save their own necks.
We have seen it many times.
I think Boris is on borrowed time now.

[drfchound]

It is a protest vote, more than likely against Boris than the Tories.
I said a couple of weeks ago that he will be gone soon and this kind of reinforces my thoughts on that.
There will be much celebrating by Labour when he does get the boot but realisation that his replacement (probably Sunak) will do a much better job and make it harder for Labour, or the Libs, to make any headway.

As useless as Boris is, he's a brilliant election campaigner. I can't see any of his prospective replacements being as good.

He is Glyn but his replacement will have advisors who will help things along, don’t you think.
The public at large have been bombarded with stuff telling them how evil Boris has been so a new face could be welcomed.

[Filo]

The truth of the matter is this is one of the safest Tory seats in the Country, Tory in almost 200 years, it’s a massive statement of opinion against the current regime, a 34.2% swing replicated all over the Country would wipe them out

The 'Red Wall' MPs will be shitting themselves and probably be the first in the queue to stick the knife in.

Not Don Valley MP Nick Fletcher, voted every way which Boris has told him since elected

[roverstillidie91]

Does anyone think it is time for a change from Labour and Conservatives, I don't think Lib Dems are that much better either.

Where people start to vote other than the main parties like perhaps a people's party or something.

[Filo]

People have to also rembember this was a place that voted 60% brexit and they’ve elected a pro european party, that is the scale of the victory

[Glyn_Wigley]

The truth of the matter is this is one of the safest Tory seats in the Country, Tory in almost 200 years, it’s a massive statement of opinion against the current regime, a 34.2% swing replicated all over the Country would wipe them out

The 'Red Wall' MPs will be shitting themselves and probably be the first in the queue to stick the knife in.

Not Don Valley MP Nick Fletcher, voted every way which Boris has told him since elected

He won't be able to if he loses his seat and he knows it.