Substantial Budget

[DRFCSouth]

Now the waiting is over, and whatever side we fall on.

The question is what would we expect substantial budget to mean in January?

Does it mean we have 500k to actually pay fees for players, showing some intent for staying in the division? Does it mean scrounging around for some absolute drivel on frees? Does it mean getting in some experience but having to shell out a decent amount on their salary?

What does the 'substantial budget' mean in your mind?

[Campsall rover]

Now the waiting is over, and whatever side we fall on.

The question is what would we expect substantial budget to mean in January?

Does it mean we have 500k to actually pay fees for players, showing some intent for staying in the division? Does it mean scrounging around for some absolute drivel on frees? Does it mean getting in some experience but having to shell out a decent amount on their salary?

What does the 'substantial budget' mean in your mind?

Short term contracts until the end of the season. Let’s see where we are then and offer new contracts to players we then want to keep.
Offering longer contracts is probably not wise until we know which division we are in next season.

[wilts rover]

The more we pay in fees the less we have available for wages.

It's wages that will attract players to come and play for us.

That's my view of how budgets work.

[Retdon1]

I think it means we have £400K-£500k to spend in Wages. It works out at around 6 players on £4K a week each until the end of the season

[normal rules]

GM interview seems to make it pretty clear . We will pick up one or two players who are free agents.Perhaps. If they are free. So end of contract types. A bit like Bogle was.
And a couple of loan players.
After we have offloaded some loan players no doubt. (Cukur and vilca)
So the substantial budget is for wages only. Not purchase fees.

[Campsall rover]

We will not be paying any Fees. Why would anyone expect us to.

How many League 1 clubs pay fees these days. Not many and very infrequently.

Wages is what clubs have the budget for. Fees are for the wealthy or mis managed clubs. Yes quite a few of them but most are in the Championship or were recently in that league.

[DonnyNoel]

Wages for me. I know in the past we creamed L1 for it's top players and paid transfer fees but given the short lengths of players contracts these days you shouldn't really have to spend six figures on a transfer fee at this level. Obviously if we know who the next Jamie Vardy is then it's different

[phil old leake]

DRFCSOUTH some frees might not automatically mean scrounging around to meet their wage demands

If they’re free agents then they’re not getting paid until someone makes them an offer. 

A little bit of something is better than a large portion of nothing

I suppose it would depend how financially set up they are.

I would e pest the likes of Robson Kanu to be financially secure or should be

Some others may not be and may be grateful of a wage packet

[Sammy Chung was King]

If we want to stay up the transfers McSheffrey makes, we can’t afford many mistakes. Though he gets a bit of leeway as it’s not his team, he is now the manager of the team.

Just as Wellens was he will be judged on results . I really hope he does a great job, I think we can stay up and push up the league.

[keith79]

Agents will take a %. 

[silent majority]

Agents will take a %. 

A small one though as we have limits on agents fees.

[RugbyRover]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

[Chris Black come back]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

Thing is, we can't judge these loans until they've played a few games as we generally know bugger all about them until they get here.

Would agree though. With our recent history in the good loans you mention, there's no reason to believe we're not aiming for the same quality.

So far Galbraith has worked out well. Smith has been a slow burner but you can see there's talent there.

It wasn't too long ago in this very window, we secured Jacob Ramsey.

[normal rules]

Agents will take a %. 

A small one though as we have limits on agents fees.

And that will put some agents, and, by definition players off.

[Jersey Rover]

With Anderson potentially struggling to see the season out I wonder if a certain Mr Butler still kicks a ball around. If he’s fit enough he’s definitely experienced enough to see us through the season, he’s free and we definitely need help at the back

[normal rules]

Butler has left his job at posh by all accounts and did tweet something about 2020 being a strong year with football emojis. ?….?
Make of that what u will.

[IDM]

Butler has left his job at posh by all accounts and did tweet something about 2020 being a strong year with football emojis. ?….?
Make of that what u will.

He needs a new calendar.??

[normal rules]

Butler has left his job at posh by all accounts and did tweet something about 2020 being a strong year with football emojis. ?….?
Make of that what u will.

He needs a new calendar.??

Fat fingers. 2022.

[Chris Black come back]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

Thing is, we can't judge these loans until they've played a few games as we generally know bugger all about them until they get here.

Would agree though. With our recent history in the good loans you mention, there's no reason to believe we're not aiming for the same quality.

So far Galbraith has worked out well. Smith has been a slow burner but you can see there's talent there.

It wasn't too long ago in this very window, we secured Jacob Ramsey.

Agree with you on Smith. He’s earned his place for second half of season now I think.

[EasyforDennis]

Talking about "Free Agents". They will almost certainly want a signing on fee as well as their wages.

[ravenrover]

Butts seems to be a regular now in the West stand

[Donnybax]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

Thing is, we can't judge these loans until they've played a few games as we generally know bugger all about them until they get here.

Would agree though. With our recent history in the good loans you mention, there's no reason to believe we're not aiming for the same quality.

So far Galbraith has worked out well. Smith has been a slow burner but you can see there's talent there.

It wasn't too long ago in this very window, we secured Jacob Ramsey.

Agree with you on Smith. He’s earned his place for second half of season now I think.

the issue with Smith is his loan is quite an expensive one

[Sammy Chung was King]

Butts seems to be a regular now in the West stand

He will be one of the cheap signings that come in, that will add experience.

[silent majority]

Agents will take a %. 

A small one though as we have limits on agents fees.

And that will put some agents, and, by definition players off.

No it doesn’t. We tend to work with the same agents and they appreciate our clarity and approach.

[ravenrover]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

Thing is, we can't judge these loans until they've played a few games as we generally know bugger all about them until they get here.

Would agree though. With our recent history in the good loans you mention, there's no reason to believe we're not aiming for the same quality.

So far Galbraith has worked out well. Smith has been a slow burner but you can see there's talent there.

It wasn't too long ago in this very window, we secured Jacob Ramsey.

Agree with you on Smith. He’s earned his place for second half of season now I think.

the issue with Smith is his loan is quite an expensive one

And we know this to be fact?

[Donnybax]

We need to send the three underperforming loans back and replace them with three stellar loan signings.

Three loans of the same quality as Kane & Wilks. A midfielder, a winger and a Goal scorer. They should be our priority.

Anything left in the pot gets spent on a left back and steady experienced back up keeper. Both permanent signings. Both until the end of the season with options to extend.

To me, that's what a substantial budget will get.

The ilk of Kane and Wilks would be unreal. Even lads of quality like Ennis and John-Jules would make a massive difference. Sadly Cukur and Vilca are not yet of level to make any impact for us.

Thing is, we can't judge these loans until they've played a few games as we generally know bugger all about them until they get here.

Would agree though. With our recent history in the good loans you mention, there's no reason to believe we're not aiming for the same quality.

So far Galbraith has worked out well. Smith has been a slow burner but you can see there's talent there.

It wasn't too long ago in this very window, we secured Jacob Ramsey.

Agree with you on Smith. He’s earned his place for second half of season now I think.

the issue with Smith is his loan is quite an expensive one

And we know this to be fact?

yes. It was in one of hodens articles about the January window. I suppose the question is does Smith get into our best 11? And if the answer is no then could we use that money elsewhere?

[normal rules]

Agents will take a %. 

A small one though as we have limits on agents fees.

And that will put some agents, and, by definition players off.

No it doesn’t. We tend to work with the same agents and they appreciate our clarity and approach.

I have no time for agents in football. Or property for that matter.
But does this not exclude players who we could afford, but not their agent fees?
That would be a bit like me not going anywhere near an estate agent if they charged above 2%.

[Chris Black come back]

The board is providing ample finance for a manager to finish mid-table in League One. We need a manager who get more out of the budget than the next guy. That is basically what McCann did and we almost made it, before being cheated in the play offs. Our issue is that recruitment needs to be 100pc right in order for us to stand a chance. This hasn't been the case for a few seasons now and you can see the impact. Manager turnover has been largely the cause of this but the overall approach hasn't quite worked properly. Hopefully now we have a structure that can maximise what is a decent budget.

Some people also need to get real though - look at the massive clubs we are competing against at this level. There are at least 10 clubs in League One who are much bigger clubs than us. Clubs that have been in the Premier League in recent seasons. Clubs with gates 5x what we get. We are never going to compete with those clubs. Our only hope is to develop some kind of ethos, culture and structure that can give us an edge in that one season in ten when we can sneak in and get promoted. We almost did this with McCann and hopefully can manage this again before too long.

[silent majority]

Agents will take a %. 

A small one though as we have limits on agents fees.

And that will put some agents, and, by definition players off.

No it doesn’t. We tend to work with the same agents and they appreciate our clarity and approach.

I have no time for agents in football. Or property for that matter.
But does this not exclude players who we could afford, but not their agent fees?
That would be a bit like me not going anywhere near an estate agent if they charged above 2%.

I think you're reading far too much into this, its not a big deal. As I said, we have agents working for us as well as individual players. Sean McDaid for example has been a great help to DRFC in recent years.