It’s going to take some comeback

[Drover]

We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from.  The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs. 

It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.

Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?

We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?

Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own

Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...

Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.

Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?

No it doesn’t mean that at all.

I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.

The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.

Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.

[Drover]

We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from.  The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs. 

It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.

Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?

We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?

Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own

Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...

Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.

Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?

No it doesn’t mean that at all.

I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.

The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.

Im not saying your wrong,and I am genuinely willing to learn,can you explain the host of reasons its harder to balance the books in league two?I've always been under the impression the higher the league system you go the harder it is,except maybe under circumstances like parachute payments or having a higher wage bill than average after relegation,But because we have wage reduction clauses we should be affected much by them?

[RoversAlias]

We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from.  The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs. 

It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.

Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?

We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?

Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own

Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...

Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.

Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?

No it doesn’t mean that at all.

I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.

The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.

Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.

You make less money in a lower division so it is therefore harder to be sustainable or turn profits. You may spend less money but the amount that you make is so much less that this notion is not viable.

I don't know why anyone actually thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful. Bramall would just sell to the first person he could find and wash his hands of it if that was the case, as the likes of Barry Hearn did with their EFL clubs in years past.

[Drover]

We should be realistic that the likely relegation is going to be very hard to recover from.  The losing mentality, inability to build a squad, we struggle to get players in, no positivity around the club and a rookie manager plus we won't have the spending power to outdo the other clubs. 

It's a huge job and coming back at the first time will be very very tough.

Will it though? Will it be hard? We'll be a major player in LG2, with a budget that makes us a standout contender. Tell me which clubs in LG2 can outspend us as the finances are totally different in that LG?

We don't know whether GMac can build a squad do we?

Don't forget we have contracted players that will still be with us, the likes of Taylor, Anderson, Bostock, Rowe, Olowu, John, Fejiri etc, and all will be more than capable of holding their own

Budgets change though. Like how our budget supposedly went from top 6 to 14th over time...

Strangely enough I was sat in a supporters board meeting this morning and we went through the contingencies. If we do end up in LG2 we'll be fine with the current revenue streams.

Mmmm,does that mean the board would be happier when we are in league 2? Would we be at break even point financially?

No it doesn’t mean that at all.

I find the reasoning behind this question really odd. The simple answer is that it’s harder to balance the books in LG2 than it is on LG1 for a whole host of reasons.

The other question you have to ask is why would somebody sink many millions into a football club just so they can relegate it to the lowest division in order to save a few quid? If that was the case there’s dozens of easier ways of doing it than the way it’s currently playing out.

Because they,understandably, no longer want too sink millions into the club,and the aim is now,to make us self sustainable,so if we find ourselfs getting relegated,despite having a mid table budget,its may bring a silver lining of making self sustanability more achievable.

You make less money in a lower division so it is therefore harder to be sustainable or turn profits. You may spend less money but the amount that you make is so much less that this notion is not viable.

I don't know why anyone actually thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful. Bramall would just sell to the first person he could find and wash his hands of it if that was the case, as the likes of Barry Hearn did with their EFL clubs in years past.

That don't convince me,bit vague saying you make less and drop in expenses isnt as big.
I never said I thinks the club would actively try to be unsuccessful!!! What I was thinking is,I wonder if the Board would find it easier to achieve their aim and balance the books at league two level.

[sedwardsdrfc]

The only expenditure that will go down is player wages and that won't be by that much really. All costs relating to running the stadium and a professional team remain the same. The cost of having the academy remains the same.

Our income will drop way more than any saving on player wages through lower crowds, lower sponsorships, lower TV etc etc

Given the level of fixed cost that is the same no matter what league we're in it is obviously more sustainable to be in a higher league.

Also we persist with the academy which has mixed results (although improving i guess) this will cost a fair bit. If the owners were so keen to just be sustainable i guarantee that would be the 1st thing to go. Way before relegation which reduces income and therefore makes it harder to be sustainable.

Honestly this theory the board want us in L2 has no logic. Please stop believing it.

[Ronnie Dovers]

It absolutely baffles me that the statement 'massively reducing our income will not help us save money/become more sustainable' is so difficult for some people to accept.

[Batleyred]

Some people are absolutely bonkers with the reasoning why. I really don't get some supporters. If this is the state of our adult population we're doomed, i tell thee doomed 

Seems we live in a conspiracy world now. If you didn't laugh you would cry.

 

[dickos1]

Plenty of folk on this thread stated it was impossible to stay up.
It was ridiculous to right off a season with 22 games to go, we might not make it but I think it’s going to go down to the wire.
Last 6 games we’ve got 9 points, continue with this form and we will get 45 points, that could be enough.
If it was 1% chance of happening back then billy what % is it now?

[Prez]

Just thought id revisit this thread

Some really interesting comments on here.

If you have time have a scroll through.

[normal rules]

Goodness me. Just over a year ago.
We could probably keep this thread on ice and just regurgitate it in another year, save the typing. It will paint the same picture I suspect, unless there is big change at the club.

If you wanted to present a business case to the board about how bad things have gotten since Jan 2022, you only have to show them this thread. All the talk about Bostock, John, okin etc. all gone.
Crambys comment striking a particularly insightful and currently relevant thread some time ago.

“with the greatest of respect, having a number of players in contract next season is really no good thing. The players we have are horrid. Awful. Even the injured ones that we keep telling ourselves are going to come out of the treatment room and ride to our rescue are ordinary at best. Let’s not forget, they were part of last seasons capitulation. I wouldn’t shed a tear if we got rid of the lot.”

[Chris Black come back]

Plenty of folk on this thread stated it was impossible to stay up.
It was ridiculous to right off a season with 22 games to go, we might not make it but I think it’s going to go down to the wire.
Last 6 games we’ve got 9 points, continue with this form and we will get 45 points, that could be enough.
If it was 1% chance of happening back then billy what % is it now?

This didn’t happen in the end.

[ncRover]

There is no way on this earth that Bostock is going to be playing in League Two.

Visionary!

[sedwardsdrfc]

Is Boston’s playing anywhere?

[Chris Black come back]

I predict we're going to be a midtable league 2 team for some years.

Based on what exactly?

Errrm.

[normal rules]

Is Boston’s playing anywhere?

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