Should Starmer Resign?

[SydneyRover]

ravenrover, whatever the outcome of the Beergate saga Starmer will have lost his credibility. He said Johnson should resign because he's under police investigation, but has failed to do so himself. He's a hypocrite. He said the 'Beergate' event wasn't planned. It was. He lied. The labour party said Angela Rayner wasn't there. She was. They lied.

You really aren't doing yourself or BST etc any favours by continuing to dig a deeper hole in attempting to defend this.

which is not true

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB seems to think eating was banned under the Tier 2 restrictions.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB seems to think eating was banned under the Tier 2 restrictions.

No I don't! Still talking bullshit I see.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/labour-boris-johnson-angela-rayner-wes-streeting-nadhim-zahawi-b2073639.html

[Bentley Bullet]

https://twitter.com/keir_starmer/status/1488176626642923521?lang=en-GB

[SydneyRover]

ravenrover, whatever the outcome of the Beergate saga Starmer will have lost his credibility. He said Johnson should resign because he's under police investigation, but has failed to do so himself. He's a hypocrite. He said the 'Beergate' event wasn't planned. It was. He lied. The labour party said Angela Rayner wasn't there. She was. They lied.

You really aren't doing yourself or BST etc any favours by continuing to dig a deeper hole in attempting to defend this.

which is not true

And as bst pointed this out to you a few days ago when you used the same argument to call Starmer a hypocrite it would make you ................ what? dishonest at the least aye bb?

[ravenrover]

No I am quereing your defence of NO the PM didn't lie to The House.
If Starmer broke any rules then he is hoisted by his own petard and should of course resign which is more than you have said about PM

[DonnyOsmond]

So based on this thread...

Working is fine.
Working and eating at the same time is fine.
Stopping working for 10 mins to eat is sacrilege.

 

[Bentley Bullet]

No I am quereing your defence of NO the PM didn't lie to The House.
If Starmer broke any rules then he is hoisted by his own petard and should of course resign which is more than you have said about PM

RR, you might think that Tory MP's lie and Labour MP's merely make mistakes, but I don't. I believe if someone is accusing another of lying, deceit or hypocrisy, they should be careful they're not liars, deceitful, or hypocrites themselves.

[ravenrover]

A lie is a lie end of, Tory or Labour. You are excelling yourself at whataboutery on this thread lets go here then lets go there so by your anaysis you can't call someone a liar in case you might tell or have told a lie, classic BB

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
Starmer never said Johnson should resign BECAUSE he was under investigation.

By late Jan, it was clear to everyone who looked at the situation dispassionately and honestly that Johnson had been lying to the House for weeks. THAT was the resignation offence. It's black and white in the Ministerial Code of Practice. 

Starmer said that Johnson had been lying for weeks AND now he was under investigation. Not simply that he was under investigation. The police investigation was merely adding more political heat to the situation. The sin was the lying in Parliament.

You may say that Starmer should have waited for the result of the investigation. But why? Everyone knew Johnson was lying. And there was a political calculation.

In politics, you want to be and be seen to be ahead of the game. Proactive not reactive. You want to control the agenda. But there's a risk. Starmer went all in, knowing that he was going to look a right prick if the police exonerated Johnson. But he trusted his judgement. And he called it 100% right.

But you repeatedly claiming he said Johnson had to resign simply because he was being investigated is just wrong.

You repeat this, ad nauseum, just as you repeat your ridiculous excuse that Johnson didn't realise he was at a party, because you are biassed and utterly incapable of looking fairly at the situation. It's a bias that claims one leader making a career out of lying, getting sacked for it twice and regularly telling uncorrected untruths in the House is on a par with another leader once making a mistake under pressure and immediately correcting it. 

[Bentley Bullet]

A lie is a lie end of, Tory or Labour. You are excelling yourself at whataboutery on this thread lets go here then lets go there so by your anaysis you can't call someone a liar in case you might tell or have told a lie, classic BB

Now you're resorting to talking bullshit RR. To accuse ME of whataboutery when people whose side you're on use it by default in response to many a post, but you completely ignore, is....well....bullshit.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB.
Starmer never said Johnson should resign BECAUSE he was under investigation.

By late Jan, it was clear to everyone who looked at the situation dispassionately and honestly that Johnson had been lying to the House for weeks. THAT was the resignation offence. It's black and white in the Ministerial Code of Practice. 

Starmer said that Johnson had been lying for weeks AND now he was under investigation. Not simply that he was under investigation. The police investigation was merely adding more political heat to the situation. The sin was the lying in Parliament.

You may say that Starmer should have waited for the result of the investigation. But why? Everyone knew Johnson was lying. And there was a political calculation.

In politics, you want to be and be seen to be ahead of the game. Proactive not reactive. You want to control the agenda. But there's a risk. Starmer went all in, knowing that he was going to look a right prick if the police exonerated Johnson. But he trusted his judgement. And he called it 100% right.

But you repeatedly claiming he said Johnson had to resign simply because he was being investigated is just wrong.

You repeat this, ad nauseum, just as you repeat your ridiculous excuse that Johnson didn't realise he was at a party, because you are biassed and utterly incapable of looking fairly at the situation. It's a bias that claims one leader making a career out of lying, getting sacked for it twice and regularly telling uncorrected untruths in the House is on a par with another leader once making a mistake under pressure and immediately correcting it. 

BST, that's rubbish. It's been on TV news most of the day every day and no one has lowered themselves like you have by trying to twist what Starmer, and Rayner, for that matter, said.

You have shown this forum exactly what lengths of desperation you will go to in order to deceive those who are daft enough to believe you.

Like I said previously, it is people like you who make people like me unwilling to even consider being in the same political party as you.

[SydneyRover]

If you believe what you bladder on about bb that's fine I doubt many others would, you are dishonest yourself.

[Ldr]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

A junior staffer in the news room makes a mistake in response to what appeared to be an entirely unimportant issue.

You REALLY judge your political parties this way?

[SydneyRover]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

smoke bomb Ldr"

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.

Labour know that's too subtle a logic for simple headed people to deal with. As you are demonstrating.

The false equivalence of that argument is being dealt with by the Labour party just as it should be. By not dignifying it with a response.

[SydneyRover]

Noone runs the country like the tories aye? they can't feed the country, the only boom is in Foodbanks.

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[Glyn_Wigley]

No I am quereing your defence of NO the PM didn't lie to The House.
If Starmer broke any rules then he is hoisted by his own petard and should of course resign which is more than you have said about PM

RR, you might think that Tory MP's lie and Labour MP's merely make mistakes, but I don't. I believe if someone is accusing another of lying, deceit or hypocrisy, they should be careful they're not liars, deceitful, or hypocrites themselves.

But yet you still keep doing it!!

[Bentley Bullet]

BB.

Labour know that's too subtle a logic for simple headed people to deal with. As you are demonstrating.

The false equivalence of that argument is being dealt with by the Labour party just as it should be. By not dignifying it with a response.

Whatever the verdict of this case it will soon be yesterdays chip paper and will end up in the bin. You however, will continue to recycle your bent, one-sided rubbish and no one will ever be allowed to forget your hypocrisy.

[Ldr]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

A junior staffer in the news room makes a mistake in response to what appeared to be an entirely unimportant issue.

You REALLY judge your political parties this way?

Ah, innocent mistake made in good faith? Labours sorry scratch that, BSTs answer to everything atm

[SydneyRover]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

A junior staffer in the news room makes a mistake in response to what appeared to be an entirely unimportant issue.

You REALLY judge your political parties this way?

Ah, innocent mistake made in good faith? Labours sorry scratch that, BSTs answer to everything atm
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I guess you have to ask if it's true and whether you are trying to equate it to johnson's behaviour, lies and criminality aye?

[Ldr]

No Syd, that’s what you want me to be doing

[Ldr]

Does anyone on here apart from Tyke and Albie remember the Labour Party when it was the Labour Party and represented the workers and had principles ?

[wilts rover]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

Given the bloke who runs the country didn't know there were parties going on that he was at, then accepted the resignation of the one of the few people who worked for him that wasn't, it's not a high bar is it.

[SydneyRover]

here we go again Ldr why not start a new thread and try not to use your enmity for bst and dislike of Starmer to cloud your judgement as he's not going to be found in breach of covid rules for his deputy being there, eating a curry or even having a beer is he?

[DonnyOsmond]

If they didn’t even know their own deputy leader was there, what hope have they in organising the country?

Tbf Boris apparently didn't even know Boris was there at his.

[River Don]

A lie is a lie end of, Tory or Labour. You are excelling yourself at whataboutery on this thread lets go here then lets go there so by your anaysis you can't call someone a liar in case you might tell or have told a lie, classic BB

Now you're resorting to talking bullshit RR. To accuse ME of whataboutery when people whose side you're on use it by default in response to many a post, but you completely ignore, is....well....bullshit.

You accuse me of whataboutery, what about others using whataboutery?

Classic.

[Bentley Bullet]

Now you're just being silly RD, but I don't really blame you. Perhaps you're better at that than being sensible.

[River Don]

The tories are wanting to explore a truce with Labour over beergate. Don't talk about these things anymore and the public will forget.

Starmer however is considering announcing he will resign if he is fined.