Should Starmer Resign?

[BillyStubbsTears]

So saying Hitler hated Jews would be a smear against Hitler.

Grow up you fool.

[River Don]

Smear

damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander.

So when did Starmer make false accusations or slander Johnson?

I interpret it to mean "to accuse someone publicly with the intention of harming the person's reputation"

You mean, damage someone's reputation through true accusations???

I mean exactly what I said!

Right .. didn't his reputation deserve to be harmed?

I mean, he was caught lying to parliament repeatedly.

[Bentley Bullet]

BB's doing the Humpty Dumpty impression now, is he? Deciding what words mean to suit his own agenda.

Look BB. The grown up thing to do at this point is admit you have used the word "smear" totally wrongly, in your obsession to score political points, and withdraw it.

Nay BST, I meant exactly what I said! If I'm wrong suggesting Starmer gained votes because of his relentless smear campaign then I am far from alone with that view.

Now, just answer the question, there's a good chap.

[Bentley Bullet]

Smear

damage the reputation of (someone) by false accusations; slander.

So when did Starmer make false accusations or slander Johnson?

I interpret it to mean "to accuse someone publicly with the intention of harming the person's reputation"

You mean, damage someone's reputation through true accusations???

I mean exactly what I said!

Right .. didn't his reputation deserve to be harmed?

I mean, he was caught lying to parliament repeatedly.

If the best Sir Smear could come up with was Partygate, then Johnson's reputation couldn't have been that bad.

[River Don]

I thought we'd established nobody was smeared, unless we all accept your new definition of the word BB.

[Bentley Bullet]

So saying Hitler hated Jews would be a smear against Hitler.

Grow up you fool.

No, but it would be a bit hypocritical if Heinrich Himmler said it.

[Bentley Bullet]

I thought we'd established nobody was smeared, unless we all accept your new definition of the word BB.

It's not my definition RD. This is the definition I use.

smear verb (ACCUSE)
 
[ T ]
to accuse someone publicly with the intention of harming the person's reputation:
He was smeared in the newspapers.

[Bentley Bullet]

So, now we've cleared up that "one-word" discussion stopper, how about actually responding to the actual content of my posts?

In your own time.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB's doing the Humpty Dumpty impression now, is he? Deciding what words mean to suit his own agenda.

Look BB. The grown up thing to do at this point is admit you have used the word "smear" totally wrongly, in your obsession to score political points, and withdraw it.

Nay BST, I meant exactly what I said! If I'm wrong suggesting Starmer gained votes because of his relentless smear campaign then I am far from alone with that view.

Now, just answer the question, there's a good chap.

How can anyone address anything you say? You use words to mean things that no-one else does. So we literally don't know what you are talking about.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I thought we'd established nobody was smeared, unless we all accept your new definition of the word BB.

It's not my definition RD. This is the definition I use.

smear verb (ACCUSE)
 
[ T ]
to accuse someone publicly with the intention of harming the person's reputation:
He was smeared in the newspapers.

What's your source for that definition?

[drfchound]

BB's doing the Humpty Dumpty impression now, is he? Deciding what words mean to suit his own agenda.

Look BB. The grown up thing to do at this point is admit you have used the word "smear" totally wrongly, in your obsession to score political points, and withdraw it.

Nay BST, I meant exactly what I said! If I'm wrong suggesting Starmer gained votes because of his relentless smear campaign then I am far from alone with that view.

Now, just answer the question, there's a good chap.

How can anyone address anything you say? You use words to mean things that no-one else does. So we literally don't know what you are talking about.

BST.  There are lots of posters on here who use words, often made up words, that mean something else.
It happens all the time.
I never see you correcting them, especially if they are on your side, and telling them to grow up.
You are well aware what BB was alluding to but decided to swerve the conversation into an argument about the definition of a single word.
Another deflection attempt by yourself.

[River Don]

In using the word smear he was alluding to a false allegation or slander.

But that hasn't happened.

[Glyn_Wigley]

I thought we'd established nobody was smeared, unless we all accept your new definition of the word BB.

It's not my definition RD. This is the definition I use.

smear verb (ACCUSE)
 
[ T ]
to accuse someone publicly with the intention of harming the person's reputation:
He was smeared in the newspapers.

What's your source for that definition?

Here:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/smear

And it's very telling of BB's mendacity that he deliberately left out the fact that the bit he copy and pasted was the US definition, not the UK one...which is exactly as you described it.

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://www.reuters.com/world/uk/uk-labour-party-leader-starmer-faces-investigation-over-potential-lockdown-2022-05-06/

" LONDON, May 6 (Reuters) - British police said on Friday they would investigate opposition leader Keir Starmer over a potential breach of COVID-19 lockdown rules in 2021 after receiving significant new information, delivering an embarrassing blow to the Labour Party.

Starmer, who previously served as the country's top prosecutor, has led calls for Prime Minister Boris Johnson and finance minister Rishi Sunak to resign after they both received fines relating to a birthday party celebration thrown for Johnson by staff in his Downing Street office in June 2020.

An internal report found that staff in Downing Street held a string of boozy parties during COVID lockdowns, angering the public and damaging trust in the country's political system.

Johnson could receive more fines for other events still being investigated by London police.

Starmer has also faced increased scrutiny over footage from April 2021 showing him drinking a bottle of beer with colleagues indoors during a visit to the northeast of England.

The local Durham police force previously said it had concluded that no offence had been established but on Friday it said that "following the receipt of significant new information over recent days" an investigation had been opened.

A spokesperson for the Labour Party said they were "obviously happy to answer any questions".

"We remain clear that no rules were broken," the spokesperson said."

can someone please translate  the "labourisly" laboured words in RED 

Donnyhound i believe is Sydneys "official translator"

[BillyStubbsTears]

Another one struggling with what words mean?

[Bentley Bullet]

Amazing how nothing much changes when Billy and his Disciples are stuck for answers so they have to refer to the old 'let's analyse one word as a distraction' routine!

Starmer started a smear campaign as soon as he heard about what was to become Partygate, and that was before anyone knew if the accusations were true or false. So, both interpretations of the word can be construed as correct when used before the court judgement.

Starmer has earned his Sir Smear title in my opinion.

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
That's entirely predictable given your political bias.

Starmer made accusations based on his assessment of the facts in front of him.

Guess what!?! He was 100% correct. By no sensible assessment can that be called a smear.

But there's the problem. I used the word "sensible" when addressing you.

[River Don]

Except as we have now established it wasn't a smear campaign...

Unless you come from Bentley, Ohio.

[Bentley Bullet]

The trouble with you, Billy lad, is your struggle with the truth. You bend and twist anything and everything to fit your bent and twisted political mind.

Get back to me when you're ready to rid yourself of the bullshit and answer some questions for a change.

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The point BB is right on though is that Starmer called for Johnson's resignation the minute he was investigated before any judgement, that was a mistake and by that token he should call for his own resignation.

No. He didn't. He called for Johnson to resign for misleading the House, which he clearly did from the very earliest stages of the whole process.

His words:

31 January – Sir Keir Starmer argues that being under investigation alone is grounds for Boris Johnson's resignation. He tweets: 'Honesty and decency matter. After months of denials the Prime Minister is now under criminal investigations for breaking his own lockdown laws. He needs to do the decent thing and resign.'

After months of denials, Keir Starmer is now under investigation, what would he say about himself?

[River Don]

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”


― Margaret Thatcher

[Bentley Bullet]

Except as we have now established it wasn't a smear campaign...

Unless you come from Bentley, Ohio.

But it was a smear campaign! It was the smear campaign that led to the police having to get what seemed to be reluctantly involved.

[Bentley Bullet]

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”


― Margaret Thatcher

RD, thanks for your support. At last one of Billy's disciples has the guts to call him out on his personal attacks.

[River Don]

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.”


― Margaret Thatcher

RD, thanks for your support. At last one of Billy's disciples has the guts to call him out on his personal attacks.

Billy wouldn't count me as a disciple, we have disagreements. I voted for Brexit for one thing. We are able to discuss matters without rancour and understanding.

I do not buy into ideologies or political extremes and I like to think I am open to different ideas.

You should try it.

[bpoolrover]

Let's be honest any of the people fined should resign simple as, as far as starmer he says there was no party, that does not make a difference if they were eating and drinking and not following the rules then that is what matters, 6 of my friends were in the pub that one owned talking business and having a beer and all got fined

[River Don]

Let's be honest any of the people fined should resign simple as, as far as starmer he says there was no party, that does not make a difference if they were eating and drinking and not following the rules then that is what matters, 6 of my friends were in the pub that one owned talking business and having a beer and all got fined

If Starmer is found guilty then he should stand down. No question.

The big issue seems to be beer. If he had been swigging mineral water then I don't think we'd be discussing it now.

[drfchound]

Let's be honest any of the people fined should resign simple as, as far as starmer he says there was no party, that does not make a difference if they were eating and drinking and not following the rules then that is what matters, 6 of my friends were in the pub that one owned talking business and having a beer and all got fined

If Starmer is found guilty then he should stand down. No question.

The big issue seems to be beer. If he had been swigging mineral water then I don't think we'd be discussing it now.

Genuine question RD.
If the number ten gathering had only been drinking mineral water would there have been no case to answer, in your opinion of course.

[Bentley Bullet]

If he hadn't started a smear campaign over "Partygate" we might not have been discussing it now.

He who lives by the smear dies by the smear.

[River Don]

If they had only been drinking mineral water then it would not have been an extended social gathering.

If it had only been mineral water then people would have been less likely to engage in close contact.

It's difficult to party on water.

It wouldn't be conclusive but it would change things, don't you think?

[River Don]

If he hadn't started a smear campaign over "Partygate" we might not have been discussing it now.

He who lives by the smear dies by the smear.

There was no smear