McSheffrey & Sinclair

[sedwardsdrfc]

Looking at our signings i wouldn't say GMC has been supported better than Wellens really. We've replaced some very poor loans with better ones and signed a few players who couldn't get a game in L1 or have been unattached for a while. Not like this is a step change from what we could sign in the summer it's just been used better. Of course there have been extra funds in Jan given the position but if the board trusted Wellens he would have got the same funds too.

If anything Wellens signed some very established L1 players. What we've signed this Jan has been  players to take a chance on (Agard/Clayton) or who will hopefully develop (Younger/Reo). Think it's not fair to say Wellens wasn't back but GMC has been

[RugbyRover]

I was a big supporter of Wellens and I still think if he had got the required level of support in pre season he would have made a go of things.

But things happen for a reason, so they say, and we've dropped onto somebody special with GM.

He's destined for great things. Lets hope the contract has some compensation clause written into it. We're going to need it.

[TixTheBox]

You have to acknowledge that Younger and Reo are 2 signings along the right lines to what needs to become our norm, Sedward? They won’t have been expensive acquisition’s but they could well turn out to be brilliant ones.

The Agard signing was dog shit. I won’t agree with anyone who tells me otherwise. Hopefully when Clayton is up to fitness he turns out to be exactly what we need in the middle of the park. McSheffrey messed up starting him when he was probably 20% match fit.

[GazLaz]

Injuries and poor recruitment killed Wellens. We were improving at one stage then we got decimated again. That’s all history now anyway.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Wellens was a lot more abrasive than GM who seems a calmer head and although i do think that a lot of modern footballers are like babies at times, nobody needs to be a psychology professor to work out that people in general would respond better to a calmer, more level headed understanding man manager.

So management style is a huge factor in motivating players IMO and the modern player seems to respond better to people like GM than RW.

Wellens had injuries yes but GM has also had the same injuries just about so for the most part, key players haven't really been available to both managers.

Wellens signed mostly abject crap whereas GM mostly has signed players who have improved the team. Whether GM has had more money available to him i don't know but he's spent it better than RW 100%.

Some of the latter performances under Wellens were beyond comprehension in terms of just how disinterested the players looked. Anyone who went to Burton away just before he was sacked will know just what i mean.

GM has improved performances and results significantly over that of Wellens for the factors given above and if he keeps learning as he goes along then i'm sure he will improve even more and that might be enough to keep us in the league ultimately.

I'm still not convinced and won't be confident about GM until the end of the season and see how things have panned out but pound for pound, GM has done more in his short tenure than Wellens did.

[roversdude]

I think Wellens was backed, the problem was we expected players to be back from injury who are still out.
As much as I backed RW there is a much better feel around the club under GMc

[Janso]

One of the big differences is we actually look like scoring these days. For months under Wellens you just couldn't see where even a chance was coming never mind a goal.

[selby]

  Nobody was more sorry than me the way it ended with Wellens I consider he was dealt a duff hand from the off and was picking up a poisoned chalice left by Moore, a ship without a rudder.
  Now we need to give Gary and Frank the time and tools to mould a team into the unit they want, have a clear path for the club and get young players through and into the club that can be assets financially and playing wise to the club. We have the leadership, we have some good prospects in the youth academy, we have a management team who are knowledgeable and tactically astute. We have one glaring weakness in our armoury in my opinion which is weakening the clubs progress and that is a lack of an u21/23s side which Gary and Frank can take advantage of and gives the youth players a step between the u18s and the first team, alternatively we need an agreement with a good club playing at a good level in non league football for us to supply a steady stream of young players for them to introduce them into men's football.

[ColinDouglasHandshake]

Yes but surely GM was left a ship without a rudder by RW? Yet he's slowly turning things around. Which Wellens couldn't do from the ship without a rudder he was left with by DM?

[RugbyRover]

Wellens signed some very good players.

He also signed some squad fillers, who due to the squad being decimated by injuries and covid, became 1st teamers, when they were never intended to be so.

Anyway enough of that topic. its all in the past.

Just had a thought. Its a good job Frank is the assistant and GM the Boss, otherwise we'd be getting a right old spanking......

[TixTheBox]

 

[Draytonian III]

Or perhaps Wellens reputation went before him and some players didn’t want to sign for Rovers because he was the manager

The next job Richie Wellens has a manager in football will be at Ashton Utd, Hyde Utd, Lancaster City, Altringham etc because I can genuinely can’t see him being a football league manager again. His style and his way of working are 20 years behind the times, or he becomes an agent by signing his son and a few of his mates up

[moses]

To be fair to RW if you swapped the front two yesterday for the front he had, then we would have been much better.

[Sammy Chung was King]

Has he had more support, or did Wellens waste what he had and not spend it in the right areas?

He definitely wasted some of the little he had. As someone else said ,one reason more wasn’t invested is that we had players ready to return to action from injury, but it didn’t happen, most of those players are still injured, which has baffled us the supporters all season.

[PDX_Rover]

In his post-match media briefing yesterday Gaz says that Reo is nowhere near match fit. Imagine when he is… Monster.

[sedwardsdrfc]

You have to acknowledge that Younger and Reo are 2 signings along the right lines to what needs to become our norm, Sedward? They won’t have been expensive acquisition’s but they could well turn out to be brilliant ones.

The Agard signing was dog shit. I won’t agree with anyone who tells me otherwise. Hopefully when Clayton is up to fitness he turns out to be exactly what we need in the middle of the park. McSheffrey messed up starting him when he was probably 20% match fit.

Oh 100% i'm well happy with Younger and Reo signings it's the type of players we should look at too improve.

What i'm saying is it wasn't like Wellens didn't have the backing to sign those type of players. He probably had better backing to sign established players like Rowe, Close, Williams, Hiwula etc

[GazLaz]

You have to acknowledge that Younger and Reo are 2 signings along the right lines to what needs to become our norm, Sedward? They won’t have been expensive acquisition’s but they could well turn out to be brilliant ones.

The Agard signing was dog shit. I won’t agree with anyone who tells me otherwise. Hopefully when Clayton is up to fitness he turns out to be exactly what we need in the middle of the park. McSheffrey messed up starting him when he was probably 20% match fit.

Oh 100% i'm well happy with Younger and Reo signings it's the type of players we should look at too improve.

What i'm saying is it wasn't like Wellens didn't have the backing to sign those type of players. He probably had better backing to sign established players like Rowe, Close, Williams, Hiwula etc

He signed Barlow who was an England youth international and Olowu who came in as a development player. How is that any different to Gary signing development players?

[Chris Black come back]

Admittedly a large number are injured but we must have one of the biggest squads in the league this season, having also had to blood several youth players. Cost of carrying this many players must be very significant, even if they are all on modest wages. God knows what happens if any of the secret six make it back in the matchday squad.

[sedwardsdrfc]

You have to acknowledge that Younger and Reo are 2 signings along the right lines to what needs to become our norm, Sedward? They won’t have been expensive acquisition’s but they could well turn out to be brilliant ones.

The Agard signing was dog shit. I won’t agree with anyone who tells me otherwise. Hopefully when Clayton is up to fitness he turns out to be exactly what we need in the middle of the park. McSheffrey messed up starting him when he was probably 20% match fit.

Oh 100% i'm well happy with Younger and Reo signings it's the type of players we should look at too improve.

What i'm saying is it wasn't like Wellens didn't have the backing to sign those type of players. He probably had better backing to sign established players like Rowe, Close, Williams, Hiwula etc

He signed Barlow who was an England youth international and Olowu who came in as a development player. How is that any different to Gary signing development players?

I'm not saying Wellens didn't sign those type of players i'm just making a point because someone posted saying GMC is getting backed and Wellens never did in the market. I don't think that is quite true because it's not like GMC has signed players who are vastly more established than what Wellens was able to sign.

If GMC spent 500k on a top L1 player i'd get that argument but he's signing players who Wellens would have been able to sign so i don't want to hear an argument that potentially discredits the turnaround GMC might achieve.

The point about signing younger players to develop is more general not a criticism of Wellens.

[ravenrover]

Wonder who spotted Reo?

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Wonder who spotted Reo?

Via Younger dealing with Reo's agent so I'm led to believe.

[Chris Black come back]

I’m really not sure what the deal is here. His release clause must be about 100k. He knowingly joined a side rock bottom of the third tier and with a record of creating very few chances. I cannot believe he didn’t have other options at least at third tier level in England. Still, am glad he is here as he looks a handful.

[selby]

  Any player we have playing for us will if they are bothered and listen will improve with Gary and Frank working with them.
  If I was a young player trying to make a name in the game those two would attract me to the club, likewise if I was an agent, I would like my players to learn from those two. They are top top coaches.

[jmt23]

After the game against Rotherham I was listening to Talksport on the way home.
Danny Mills was scathing about our performance, and rightly so.
He went in to mention the signing of Reo, he said it was a very big money signing for DRFC - I do not know if he knows anything more than me, but I can imagine he will be on a very good deal given his background and hype.

[Chris Black come back]

He’s certainly not going to be on buttons but I suspect his deal is as leaky as a colander. If he does well there will be all kinds of release clauses and caveats. I just cannot see why he would come to us other than playing regularly to get himself a move back up the English leagues if he performs.