Have I missed it?

[ravenrover]

The thread regarding MP's getting a £2200 pay rise?
Obscene JMHO

[rich1471]

What worse is both Boris and starmer both said they should not get one this year, if they feel so strongly about it the y could donate it to Ukraine for medical supplies

[idler]

It’s a good job that it isn’t performance related or a lot would be having deductions rather than an increase. It’s an insult to those that work for peanuts but facing price hikes.
I felt guilty getting a rise as a pensioner so I have given the amount to various charities and the Ukraine appeal. I know that it all depends on personal circumstances but I was lucky enough to never be out of work and also saved and planned for my retirement.

[Donnywolf]

Well done Idler 

[KeithMyath]

Should just cover the Energy prices rises for the year. Shame about the the rest of the 67 million residents of these isles

[rich1471]

Should just cover the Energy prices rises for the year. Shame about the the rest of the 67 million residents of these isles

probably claim that back on there expenses

[Branton Red]

This represents a 2.7% rise.

In line with the average increase in pay for public sector employees last year.

Inflation is running at 5.5% - so in real terms a pay cut.

Many MPs work very hard and are genuine public servants.

I struggle to see what the fuss is about.

Too easy to jump on the bandwagon of 'they're all useless' and 'they're all on the take' etc etc.

[ravenrover]

What! Words fail me Branton

[wilts rover]

MP's currently have a basic salary of £82k - which is 2 and 1/2 times the average wage. This easily puts them in the top 10% of earners in the UK.

For instance it is 3 1/2 times the salary for a newly qualified nurse. Cut the HoC by a half and we could employ 1 million more nurses.

On top of this salary they have a subsidised restaurant, bar, accomodation and an extremly generous expense scheme. Mine claimed £112k last year (so his actual earnings were nearly £200k).

'But they work hard' - yeah like no-one else does - they wont be worrying about the gas bill tho.

[Branton Red]

Wilts democracy is very important to our freedom and way of life.

MPs, representing us via due democratic process, have to consider and vote on the, often complex, rules and regulations that govern how we all live.

This is a very important job for our society.

Are you suggesting such people: -

- Shouldn't be in the top 10% of earners
- Should be paid c. £23,500 (the same as a newly qualified nurse based on what you write)
- Should be paid such an amount that they have to worry about their personal gas bills
- Shouldn't be given a 2.7% pay rise in line with other public sector workers

[aidanstu]

This represents a 2.7% rise.

In line with the average increase in pay for public sector employees last year.

Inflation is running at 5.5% - so in real terms a pay cut.

Many MPs work very hard and are genuine public servants.

I struggle to see what the fuss is about.

Too easy to jump on the bandwagon of 'they're all useless' and 'they're all on the take' etc etc.

There are areas of the public sector that haven’t even had 2.7 % in the last 5 years combined l; including those in low wages, never mind 80k a year; that’s what the fuss is about.

[Branton Red]

There are areas of the public sector that haven’t even had 2.7 % in the last 5 years combined l; including those in low wages, never mind 80k a year; that’s what the fuss is about.

Please name them

[danumdon]

What do people expect the state to pay politicians? these are people who are at the very front of our society and are required to make the hard decisions that affect everyone's life from the cradle to the grave.

Shall we employ some street sweepers or maybe an internet "influencer"

We all know the current stock of MP's has become a byword for woke, self serving virtual signalling grifters but unfortunately its all we have, these "professional" politicians will milk the system for all its worth before moving on to better paid positions outside politics, preferably after being some sort of minister who has been able to "grease the wheels " of their prospective new employers.

It should be made a condition to entry that any prospective politician has had a real job in society and that they have attained a higher management position as a minimum or more likely to director level.

No freshly indoctrinated imbecile fresh from uni or working as a party hack should be allowed, of any political persuasion. These "professional politicians" are the main reason that we now have no suitable representation in parliament.

Just who the f*ck can you vote for these days, massive problem for the electorate to choose from this current rabble.

[SydneyRover]

What do people expect the state to pay politicians? these are people who are at the very front of our society and are required to make the hard decisions that affect everyone's life from the cradle to the grave.

Shall we employ some street sweepers or maybe an internet "influencer"

We all know the current stock of MP's has become a byword for woke, self serving virtual signalling grifters but unfortunately its all we have, these "professional" politicians will milk the system for all its worth before moving on to better paid positions outside politics, preferably after being some sort of minister who has been able to "grease the wheels " of their prospective new employers.

It should be made a condition to entry that any prospective politician has had a real job in society and that they have attained a higher management position as a minimum or more likely to director level.

No freshly indoctrinated imbecile fresh from uni or working as a party hack should be allowed, of any political persuasion. These "professional politicians" are the main reason that we now have no suitable representation in parliament.

Just who the f*ck can you vote for these days, massive problem for the electorate to choose from this current rabble.

I think our MPs should be paid well, we want the best, but when they are shown to be incompetent or verging on corrupt they should be sacked and paroled to the backbench for a suitable period not washed, rinsed and returned at the next opportunity nor should they be given a title.

[danumdon]

What do people expect the state to pay politicians? these are people who are at the very front of our society and are required to make the hard decisions that affect everyone's life from the cradle to the grave.

Shall we employ some street sweepers or maybe an internet "influencer"

We all know the current stock of MP's has become a byword for woke, self serving virtual signalling grifters but unfortunately its all we have, these "professional" politicians will milk the system for all its worth before moving on to better paid positions outside politics, preferably after being some sort of minister who has been able to "grease the wheels " of their prospective new employers.

It should be made a condition to entry that any prospective politician has had a real job in society and that they have attained a higher management position as a minimum or more likely to director level.

No freshly indoctrinated imbecile fresh from uni or working as a party hack should be allowed, of any political persuasion. These "professional politicians" are the main reason that we now have no suitable representation in parliament.

Just who the f*ck can you vote for these days, massive problem for the electorate to choose from this current rabble.

I think our MPs should be paid well, we want the best, but when they are shown to be incompetent or verging on corrupt they should be sacked and paroled to the backbench for a suitable period not washed, rinsed and returned at the next opportunity nor should they be given a title.

Amen to that.

The trouble is we would have to start again as there are very few who have not been bought and paid for by whoever will pay the most.

Its a real shame for this country that the brightest and best will steer well clear of anything to do with this lousy business and earn themselves real money in the process.

We need the best but end up with anything but.

As for the honours system, totally discredited, with some of the weasels who manage to get nominated by all sides.

[DonnyOsmond]

Wilts democracy is very important to our freedom and way of life.

MPs, representing us via due democratic process, have to consider and vote on the, often complex, rules and regulations that govern how we all live.

This is a very important job for our society.

Are you suggesting such people: -

- Shouldn't be in the top 10% of earners
- Should be paid c. £23,500 (the same as a newly qualified nurse based on what you write)
- Should be paid such an amount that they have to worry about their personal gas bills
- Shouldn't be given a 2.7% pay rise in line with other public sector workers

Local Government aren't getting anywhere near 2.7% so why should MPs?

[mugnapper]

I think MP's should get £10,000 a week which I guess is similar to an average Championship player's wage.
But there would be no expenses, no £3,000 lunches at our expense (Mrs Truss), No 2nd home expenses (all of them), No duck house expenses (Mr Viggers) and NO paid 2nd jobs.
They'd just have to 'make do' with £520,000 a year.

It's totally unrealistic to expect someone to live on £85kpa if they have to live part of their lives in London.

No wonder a lot of them fiddle their expenses and accept cash from 'donors' or 'lobbyists'.
It's an important job and worth paying for, and an increased salary might even improve the quality of people standing as MP's.

[mugnapper]

Oh and Nadia Whittome, the youngest MP in Parliament has refused to take anymore than £35,000 (after tax)p.a. and gives the rest to charities in her Constituency (Nottingham East).
She does this as she says £35k is loads more than she ever earned in her previous career as a carer.
An MP with principles? Whatever next?

[mugnapper]

Wilts democracy is very important to our freedom and way of life.

MPs, representing us via due democratic process, have to consider and vote on the, often complex, rules and regulations that govern how we all live.

This is a very important job for our society.

Are you suggesting such people: -

- Shouldn't be in the top 10% of earners
- Should be paid c. £23,500 (the same as a newly qualified nurse based on what you write)
- Should be paid such an amount that they have to worry about their personal gas bills
- Shouldn't be given a 2.7% pay rise in line with other public sector workers

Local Government aren't getting anywhere near 2.7% so why should MPs?

Local Government Officers don't have to fund living in London as well as their own Constituency.

[rich1471]

I think MP's should get £10,000 a week which I guess is similar to an average Championship player's wage.
But there would be no expenses, no £3,000 lunches at our expense (Mrs Truss), No 2nd home expenses (all of them), No duck house expenses (Mr Viggers) and NO paid 2nd jobs.
They'd just have to 'make do' with £520,000 a year.

It's totally unrealistic to expect someone to live on £85kpa if they have to live part of their lives in London.

No wonder a lot of them fiddle their expenses and accept cash from 'donors' or 'lobbyists'.
It's an important job and worth paying for, and an increased salary might even improve the quality of people standing as MP's.

Never forget watching Dennis Skinner been asked to leave parliament for the day for his doggy Dave comment to Cameron about him paying off his mortgage but not the one the tax payers pay for,he always stood up for the working man

[Colin C No.3]

Oh and Nadia Whittome, the youngest MP in Parliament has refused to take anymore than £35,000 (after tax)p.a. and gives the rest to charities in her Constituency (Nottingham East).
She does this as she says £35k is loads more than she ever earned in her previous career as a carer.
An MP with principles? Whatever next?

A politician with principles.

One that may have slipped through Ldr’s net?

[wilts rover]

Wilts democracy is very important to our freedom and way of life.

MPs, representing us via due democratic process, have to consider and vote on the, often complex, rules and regulations that govern how we all live.

This is a very important job for our society.

Are you suggesting such people: -

- Shouldn't be in the top 10% of earners
- Should be paid c. £23,500 (the same as a newly qualified nurse based on what you write)
- Should be paid such an amount that they have to worry about their personal gas bills
- Shouldn't be given a 2.7% pay rise in line with other public sector workers

Local Government aren't getting anywhere near 2.7% so why should MPs?

Local Government Officers don't have to fund living in London as well as their own Constituency.

Nor do MP's. The get an allowance for it on top of their wage.

[wilts rover]

Wilts democracy is very important to our freedom and way of life.

MPs, representing us via due democratic process, have to consider and vote on the, often complex, rules and regulations that govern how we all live.

This is a very important job for our society.

Are you suggesting such people: -

- Shouldn't be in the top 10% of earners
- Should be paid c. £23,500 (the same as a newly qualified nurse based on what you write)
- Should be paid such an amount that they have to worry about their personal gas bills
- Shouldn't be given a 2.7% pay rise in line with other public sector workers

Yes they should all refuse it - as Johnson and Starmer have said - and donate it to a fund to ease the cost of living for their constituents, their local foodbank or the people of Ukraine. All of whom will be suffering more than them in the very near future on a fraction of the wage.

Wiltshire Council are imposing a further round of redundancies and have asked remaing staff to take a pay cut. There's your local government pay rise!

[glosterred]

MP’s voting not to accept a pay rise, irrespective colour of their suit is kin to turkey’s voting for Christmas

[wilts rover]

MP’s voting not to accept a pay rise, irrespective colour of their suit is kin to turkey’s voting for Christmas

I would like to hope that the constituents of the ones who do vote to accept it give that MP exactly what they would give a turkey at Christmas.

[Ldr]

Oh and Nadia Whittome, the youngest MP in Parliament has refused to take anymore than £35,000 (after tax)p.a. and gives the rest to charities in her Constituency (Nottingham East).
She does this as she says £35k is loads more than she ever earned in her previous career as a carer.
An MP with principles? Whatever next?

A politician with principles.

One that may have slipped through Ldr’s net?

And you don’t for a second think she may be making it elsewhere????

[Colin C No.3]

Based on????

Or have you taken the time to look at her ‘profile’ personally & can therefore give examples of her “making it elsewhere”?

Or (as I suspect…for whatever reasons) you’re simply ‘coating her’ in the same broad brush strokes you’re coating every politician..anywhere…anytime…ever.

[Ldr]

Based on????

Or have you taken the time to look at her ‘profile’ personally & can therefore give examples of her “making it elsewhere”?

Or (as I suspect…for whatever reasons) you’re simply ‘coating her’ in the same broad brush strokes you’re coating every politician..anywhere…anytime…ever.

I have no faith in the good intentions of anyone who gets involved in politics Colin. Very disillusioned yes

[BillyStubbsTears]

I think MP's should get £10,000 a week which I guess is similar to an average Championship player's wage.
But there would be no expenses, no £3,000 lunches at our expense (Mrs Truss), No 2nd home expenses (all of them), No duck house expenses (Mr Viggers) and NO paid 2nd jobs.
They'd just have to 'make do' with £520,000 a year.

It's totally unrealistic to expect someone to live on £85kpa if they have to live part of their lives in London.

No wonder a lot of them fiddle their expenses and accept cash from 'donors' or 'lobbyists'.
It's an important job and worth paying for, and an increased salary might even improve the quality of people standing as MP's.

£10k per week is about what Congressmen in the USA get.

[aidanstu]

There are areas of the public sector that haven’t even had 2.7 % in the last 5 years combined l; including those in low wages, never mind 80k a year; that’s what the fuss is about.

Please name them

Cafcass for a start.

https://www.google.co.uk/search?q=cafcass+pay+freeze&client=safari&hl=en-gb&sxsrf=APq-WBseCZSlK21yCQKkqg0A9M3dDoA4gA%3A1646537175576&ei=1ykkYqjaIs6VgQbcxYmACA&oq=cafcass+pay+freeze&gs_lcp=ChNtb2JpbGUtZ3dzLXdpei1zZXJwEAMyBQghEKABMgUIIRCgAToHCCMQsAMQJzoHCAAQRxCwAzoECCMQJzoHCCEQChCgAUoECEEYAFD3CVjLGmCPL2gBcAF4AIABXYgB2QKSAQE0mAEAoAEByAEJwAEB&sclient=mobile-gws-wiz-serp

And by the way it’s often written into public sector contracts that you are not permitted 3rd jobs; unlikely the MPs; many of whom are paid as advisors to corporates and which provide them with vested interests in policy making.