Godwin's Second Law

[BillyStubbsTears]

From the man who brought you Godwin's Law comes another one for the ages.

https://mobile.twitter.com/sfmnemonic/status/1504687870006620163

[Sprotyrover]

Well Billy you don't use 'Woke' as a perjorative but you still are one!is that numb nuts third law?.

[SydneyRover]

I'd kike to see Godwin have a crack at finding the cut off point in society where those that vote tory actually admit it and stop blaming others.

[glosterred]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

[SydneyRover]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.

[tyke1962]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Ok fair do's Corbyn didn't tick every box to say the least .

But he was bang on about Russian money influencing politics in this country and the Tories doing what they do best which is put money before the people of this country and the greater good .

He called that out years ago .

In the grand scheme of things as things stand today Corbyn is just about the last person associated with this thing .

But you suit yourself .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Labour's policy on Syria under Corbyn was an absolute moral disgrace. Seamus Milne, the press officer, instructed his circle not to criticise the destruction of Aleppo by Putin as it would "deflect attention from bigger crimes committed by Britain and the USA".

Utterly disgusting. And Mariupol is what it has led to.

[SydneyRover]

Have to agree corbyn's foreign policy was confused and unfathomable his NATO stance is another but he was against the war in Iraq. Unfortunately in this world you cannot have peace without strong defence as some neutrals are now finding.

[tyke1962]

Labour's policy on Syria under Corbyn was an absolute moral disgrace. Seamus Milne, the press officer, instructed his circle not to criticise the destruction of Aleppo by Putin as it would "deflect attention from bigger crimes committed by Britain and the USA".

Utterly disgusting. And Mariupol is what it has led to.

Please tell me your not pinning Mariupol on Corbyn .

Billy I had you down as  deluded with at least some kind of brain .

Actually your a pryck .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wind your neck in Tyke, of course I'm not blaming Corbyn for Mariupol. I'm saying he and his team deliberately ignored it when Putin did the same in Aleppo.

You want to contradict that?

[phil old leake]

“Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.”

These are presumed figures that can’t be taken in any context as they can’t be proven

I do admit which I raised on another thread the open arms to Ukrainians is for me quite hypocritical after the way the country has treated others

It’s also quite canny.  After Brexit there was a definite shortage of foreign labour in this country.  Allowing Ukrainian refugees to come here and work with open arms will possibly plug some of the gap

I really cannot believe that anyone can support Corbyn and some of his policies

He stood on platforms with terrorists and murderers fighting against the UK whilst they were killings citizens of the UK. 

I’d rather have Screaming Lord Sutch. Corbyn and his like are whats keeping the Labour Party from being any real threat to the Tories

[glosterred]

“I really cannot believe that anyone can support Corbyn and some of his policies”

But many on this forum and particularly the Off Topic threads were championing him as the future leader of this country a while back. Some are now trying to distance themselves from him.

[SydneyRover]

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

[Sprotyrover]

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

Ah my old workmates 'WUDDA,SHUDDA and CUDDA!' There is nothing finer than hindsight, who is to say things WUDDA been better,,I think not!

[Sprotyrover]

This little tale sums your lot up!, the Police in Bristol advised the Council to remove the Coulson statue, nobody but the lefty Wokes even realised it was there or even knew who he was! Some WOKE on the Council told the Police that they would not removing for fear of upsetting The majority of Bristols Population.
At the trial the defence claimed they were acting in accordance with Section 3 of the Prevention of crime Act and removed it to prevent an uprising by the good citizens of Bristol who were all deeply offended by it!!!

[BillyStubbsTears]

The last election was the worst choice ever.

One party had a leader that wasn't prepared to criticise Russia. The other party was funded by Russia.

It's odd that it's only Labour supporters who criticise both, but there you go...

[drfchound]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.

Have to agree corbyn's foreign policy was confused and unfathomable his NATO stance is another but he was against the war in Iraq. Unfortunately in this world you cannot have peace without strong defence as some neutrals are now finding.

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

Three slightly different arguments by the same person, depending on who he was arguing against.
All within a short space of time.

[phil old leake]

Syd on what factual basis are you saying 10s of thousands have died because there hasn’t been a Labour c
Government

Please don’t quote some left wing report. It doesn’t matter what anyone says those type of accusations can only be supposition as they can’t be proved supported or verified in any way

[tyke1962]

Wind your neck in Tyke, of course I'm not blaming Corbyn for Mariupol. I'm saying he and his team deliberately ignored it when Putin did the same in Aleppo.

You want to contradict that?

Apologies for the abuse Billy , uncalled for .

[BillyStubbsTears]

No need Tyke. We all boil over every now and then.

[SydneyRover]

Syd on what factual basis are you saying 10s of thousands have died because there hasn’t been a Labour c
Government

Please don’t quote some left wing report. It doesn’t matter what anyone says those type of accusations can only be supposition as they can’t be proved supported or verified in any way

You may have to define what ''lefty study'' means phil and where they are done. Hope you are not thinking 'woke'

''Effects of health and social care spending constraints on mortality in England: a time trend analysis

Objective Since 2010, England has experienced relative constraints in public expenditure on healthcare (PEH) and social care (PES). We sought to determine whether these constraints have affected mortality rates.

Methods We collected data on health and social care resources and finances for England from 2001 to 2014. Time trend analyses were conducted to compare the actual mortality rates in 2011–2014 with the counterfactual rates expected based on trends before spending constraints. Fixed-effects regression analyses were conducted using annual data on PES and PEH with mortality as the outcome, with further adjustments for macroeconomic factors and resources. Analyses were stratified by age group, place of death and lower-tier local authority (n=325). Mortality rates to 2020 were projected based on recent trends''

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

let me know when you are done there's plenty more and I'll be asking questions.

[danumdon]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.

Have to agree corbyn's foreign policy was confused and unfathomable his NATO stance is another but he was against the war in Iraq. Unfortunately in this world you cannot have peace without strong defence as some neutrals are now finding.

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

Three slightly different arguments by the same person, depending on who he was arguing against.
All within a short space of time.

All you can think is deluded, and possibly certifiable.

Probably also a danger to himself, and small pets.

Note, its when you spoute utter contemptible crap like this that your main argument looses any plausibility.

[SydneyRover]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.

Have to agree corbyn's foreign policy was confused and unfathomable his NATO stance is another but he was against the war in Iraq. Unfortunately in this world you cannot have peace without strong defence as some neutrals are now finding.

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

Three slightly different arguments by the same person, depending on who he was arguing against.
All within a short space of time.

All you can think is deluded, and possibly certifiable.

Probably also a danger to himself, and small pets.

Note, its when you spoute utter contemptible crap like this that your main argument looses any plausibility.

Here is the bmj spouting some of that contemptible nonsense DD

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

Any problems of having different views on different points DD, following hound down a rabbit hole is a slippery slope as he gets inspiration from selby.

[danumdon]

Just think if all those Tory voters go had voted Labour we’d now have a government led my Comrade Corbyn and a cabinet with Abbott, McDonald in it. Frightening. And this country wouldn’t have aided Ukraine at all, they’d have been supporting Russia with their anti NATO stance.

Just think if we'd had a labour government since 2010 there 50K+ wouldn't have died due to Austerity and 10s of thousands would still be alive due to the mishandling of the pandemic response. I guess it's all about priorities.

I would like to see the tory and labour in a contest to help all British people as much as they want to help all Ukrainians.

Have to agree corbyn's foreign policy was confused and unfathomable his NATO stance is another but he was against the war in Iraq. Unfortunately in this world you cannot have peace without strong defence as some neutrals are now finding.

With what we all have seen from may & johnson and his teammates corbyn would have been the least worst option surely.

exporting ones own citizens, hostile environment in the UK ffs, 10s of thousands dead, what could have been worse?

Three slightly different arguments by the same person, depending on who he was arguing against.
All within a short space of time.

All you can think is deluded, and possibly certifiable.

Probably also a danger to himself, and small pets.

Note, its when you spoute utter contemptible crap like this that your main argument looses any plausibility.

Here is the bmj spouting some of that contemptible nonsense DD

https://bmjopen.bmj.com/content/7/11/e017722

Any problems of having different views on different points DD, following hound down a rabbit hole is a slippery slope as he gets inspiration from selby.

I'm still trying to work out where the lives of these senior citizens (over85)would of been improved by the impelemtation of the labour party over any other would have made the difference, given that when labour was in govenerment they also had this same demographic dying in care homes.

Or could it just be that when the majority of people get to 85 they tend to be  a litle frail and prone to illness?

I'm not saying you dont look after your senior citizens but do we as a nation spend so much less then supposed leaders in this field.?

[danumdon]

"A limitation was that our study was observational and retrospective, thereby our findings likely capture association rather than causation"

Does this quote from your BMJ render it useless in the greater scheme of things.

[SydneyRover]

"A limitation was that our study was observational and retrospective, thereby our findings likely capture association rather than causation"

Does this quote from your BMJ render it useless in the greater scheme of things.

I would think it is better than yours or mine.

[danumdon]

"We were unable to analyse specific causes of death as outcomes because there were differences in how causes of death in 2001–2010 and 2010 onwards were coded, resulting in a lack of comparability for causes of death such as circulatory disease."

So this quote renders your statement that a Labour government would of made a difference inaccurate as they don't know if it was better or worse under Labour,

So like we all thought, you're just cherry picking facts to fit your narrative.

[danumdon]

Plus anyone who can quote "Corbyn as the least worst option on anything" seriously needs to have a word with themselves.

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.



Look at that graph. Think about when Austerity started. With the long process of depressed living standards, and health spending not keeping up with its earlier trajectory.

That in itself is not proof of causation, but it's a correlation that needs to be considered.

In terms of state pension provision as a safety net for decent old age, ours is the worst in the OECD, measured against average wages. Pensioners with a decent occupational pension aren't badly off. But those who haven't got that have a pitiful existence.

And it's not all about how much we spend on old people. It's also about the conditions we have been  putting younger people through for the past decade and some, meaning that long term health has not been improving as it used to do.

[SydneyRover]

"We were unable to analyse specific causes of death as outcomes because there were differences in how causes of death in 2001–2010 and 2010 onwards were coded, resulting in a lack of comparability for causes of death such as circulatory disease."

So this quote renders your statement that a Labour government would of made a difference inaccurate as they don't know if it was better or worse under Labour,

So like we all thought, you're just cherry picking facts to fit your narrative.

Labour would not have continued Austerity to the extent of trashing the economy, if you wish to show me any reputable economist that supports the economic path the government followed knock yourself out.