Rwanda

[albie]

New destination for UK migrant applicants:
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/rwanda-offshore-asylum-seekers-boris-johnson-priti-patel-b2057541.html

WTF is this all above.
The UK has international responsibilities under the Refugee Convention.

How about providing safe routes and removing illegal trafficking from the system?

[BobG]

Jesus Christ.....

BobG

[SydneyRover]

Lynton Crosby

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

I'm not sure there's a solution to the immigration problem.  But I'm sure that this isn't it.

[Filo]

Dead cat, to take away the news that the PM is fighting off

[BillyStubbsTears]

I've been saying for years that Patel is a sociopath. Prioritising this, while we are still getting barely anyone in from Ukraine. Just disgusting.

Worth noting. Hitler initially had a plan to deport Jews to Madagascar.

[drfchound]

Lynton Crosby

Another person from Australia who introduces divisive and controversial issues into a situation.

[BillyStubbsTears]

As I'm writing this, I'm listening to a Cabinet minister on the radio stumbling and stammering over questions on this.

I might be reading between the lines, but he sounded horrified by what he was asked to support and defend.

[SydneyRover]

Lynton Crosby

Another person from Australia who introduces divisive and controversial issues into a situation.

Spot on hound, Crosby will be right behind this, driving the culture wars as a distraction away from his absolute shit show of a government.

[River Don]

Timing.

He was in need of a big destraction.

[turnbull for england]

They said on BBC this morning , that Patel herself doesn't even know if it can get passed the legal challenges it faces , so it's just a headline really  to show " Brexit works"  and we can make decisions. Another interesting point on Tele  was rlthe question, 3 immigrants arrive together, 2 Africans and a Ukrainian-  two are sent to Rwanda and one straight off to be put up in a spare room in blighty? How do they explain that one

[River Don]

It's a headline and a heated debate alright.

To take the focus off partygate.

It's a standard Johnson tactic, create some outrage as a deflection. He knows how to use the media.

[Metalmicky]

question, 3 immigrants arrive together, 2 Africans and a Ukrainian-  two are sent to Rwanda and one straight off to be put up in a spare room in blighty? How do they explain that one

I think it means that we only want the right type of immigrant....?

[tyke1962]

Maybe if  we stopped selling arms to gangster governments or siding with US foreign policy we wouldn't have this problem on this kind of scale .

[SydneyRover]

It's a headline and a heated debate alright.

To take the focus off partygate.

It's a standard Johnson tactic, create some outrage as a deflection. He knows how to use the media.

Yep don't get distracted from the main event, johnson's criminality, keep your eye on his other hand. he's giving the finger to the people of Britain.

[Ldr]

Hotel Rwanda?

[SydneyRover]

Yep, he could be the last king of Scotland

[normal rules]

Timing.

He was in need of a big destraction.

Timing wise, I thought the issuing of fixed penalty notices during eater recess was pretty obviously engineered also.

[Colemans Left Hook]

https://www.drfc-vsc.co.uk/index.php?topic=284651.0

and try to keep a straight face as the penny drops

[DonnyOsmond]

Why are we sending a shit tonne of tax payer money to Rwanda?

[albie]

The minister knew nothing about this, and ruled it out a few days ago:
https://twitter.com/bmay/status/1514360143001104393?cxt=HHwWksC5mdqhi4QqAAAA

So the distraction tactic, while the Easter recess is taking place, is a big motive.

Rwanda has an appalling human rights record in relation to migrants, and is not a location any of the refugees fleeing war would be looking to move to.

A new moral morass for the UK to mire ourselves in.
Unlawful and a breach of our agreed responsibilities to the international community as well.

[BobG]

Can I ask a genuine question please? I  really would like to know of examples of a similar size 'distraction' tactic employed by Mrs.Thatcher, Tony Blair and/or Gordon Brown. Each of them had big problems to deal with in the Poll Tax, Weapons of Mass Destruction and the Financial Crisis. I'd like to see how Fatso compares.

BobG

[glosterred]

Seems the UK isn’t the first country in Europe to allow the processing of asylum seekers in a third country. Cannot remember much up take on this on this forum when it happened

https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/denmarks-legislation-on-extraterritorial-asylum-in-light-of-international-and-eu-law/

[albie]

Interesting link, glosterred.

I was not aware of the Denmark situation.
Likely that this will end up in the courts, with Rwanda in the spotlight as a "safe third country", or not!

Looks very much to me like an immigration version of extraordinary rendition, where those who have a right to claim asylum or have a migrant application considered in the UK on arrival, are deferred to a holding location pending a decision.

It seems to me to open the door to further exploitation of vulnerable people to a new forms of trafficking, outside UK jurisdiction.

[wilts rover]

Johnson announced last weekend we will be sending £1m in arms and aid to Ukraine.

They have announced this inital TRIAL plan will cost c£1.5m.

Not sure myself they have their priorities right - still it will keep the racists happy.

[glosterred]

Johnson announced last weekend we will be sending £1m in arms and aid to Ukraine.

They have announced this inital TRIAL plan will cost c£1.5m.

Not sure myself they have their priorities right - still it will keep the racists happy.

Not sure where that £1m comes from but so far this

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/ukraine-uk-pledges-another-80million-in-aid-to-help-ukraine-deal-with-humanitarian-crisis


Has been spent on Ukraine

[DonnyOsmond]

Seems the UK isn’t the first country in Europe to allow the processing of asylum seekers in a third country. Cannot remember much up take on this on this forum when it happened

https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/denmarks-legislation-on-extraterritorial-asylum-in-light-of-international-and-eu-law/

Probably because there wasn't much news on it and also it's another country and not the UK.

[glosterred]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

[wilts rover]

Seems the UK isn’t the first country in Europe to allow the processing of asylum seekers in a third country. Cannot remember much up take on this on this forum when it happened

https://eumigrationlawblog.eu/denmarks-legislation-on-extraterritorial-asylum-in-light-of-international-and-eu-law/

But that can't be true gloster - Johnson said in his speech this morning he was only able to do this because of Brexit?

Are you saying he was lying (again?).

[wilts rover]

So far a lot has been said about this proposal but no one on here as yet to come up with an alternative. Everyone that turns up illegally cost the taxpayer money. As taxpayers money is finite what is the alternative?

Taxpayers money would appear not to be finite as this will be in place forever thus cost billions.

Process the applications in France is the logical think to do - but that wont keep the racists happy.