End of Season DFP assessment

[Donny Exile in York]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/abject-failure-on-and-off-the-pitch-sports-writer-paul-goodwins-verdict-on-doncaster-rovers-relegation-to-league-two-3676532 

Very good summary assessment of our season and position imho.

[foxbat]

agreed,  it ' hits the nail on the head ', so to speak.

[Alan Southstand]

Post of the season and shows what work there is to do.

[ravenrover]

That just looks to me like someone has been regularly reading this forum and put together an article from snippets that have been said and repeated on here over and over again. There is nothing new or revelatory in that article that hasn't been said on here time and time again

[scawsby steve]

That just looks to me like someone has been regularly reading this forum and put together an article from snippets that have been said and repeated on here over and over again. There is nothing new or revelatory in that article that hasn't been said on here time and time again

Yes, Raven, but some of us were saying it right at the beginning of the season and getting slaughtered for it.

I remember saying it at the New York Stadium, and supporters around me looking gobsmacked that I should dare suggest such a thing.

[BigH]

Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?

[since-1969]

Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?

We are  all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the  appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say !  The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch ! 

[roversdude]

So would you suggest you need to be on the transfer panel then

[Campsall rover]

Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?

We are  all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the  appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say !  The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch !

Well you do surprise me. Who would have thought you would say something like that.

Well you better get on the board pretty quick if you want a serious say in how the club is run.
Do you ever go to “ meet the owners meetings” to air your views?

[Lincoln Rover]

SO many moan & winge then do nothing at all. It’s simple enough attend the MTO evenings which are open to all or work WITH the club & its owners.

[Chris the Rover]

I recall Since-1969 posting on here not that long ago that he was going to spend Saturday afternoons next season in Ikea. So what is he still doing on here?

[Alan Southstand]

Just remind us all how the MTO nights work. You’re lucky if you get to ask one question! And God forbid if it’s a 3 or 4 part question!

[Lincoln Rover]

Submit the question(s) in a structured way possibly in advance.

[Glyn_Wigley]

Anybody out there disagree with what's been written?

We are  all left bemused by this relegation , we ALL just about predicted it , yet our concerns fell on deaf ears .
We don’t have say even now when it’s obvious that the  appointments of Copps and McSheffrey are concerning. Add the lack of quality in the contracted players and the painful fact that those who made all the mistakes are still going to make them ….and we don’t get a say !  The past is done with but I do not see a future under this clueless bunch ! 

Remind me again when we ever 'had a say'.

[ravenrover]

Why should you have a say?

[roversdude]

So that’s where we failed so badly this year - the club didn’t consult with 1969 to ask who to sign and help pick the team

[steve@dcfd]

The MTO meetings do not solve anything on the football field as they all have said in it that’s down to the manager. We have failed in the last 16 months decision making making on the football side as been awful. The blame doesn’t lie with one person. We hopefully have started to change with additional staff. Whether posters accept that is down to their own opinions. To improve on the field we need a good summer better quality recruitment, it may cost, the correct decisions on which out of contract players we keep( GMC said only the best ones). Debate and arguments will continue until we see the football club improving in its primary goal which is on the field.

[Goole Rover]

Just remind us all how the MTO nights work. You’re lucky if you get to ask one question! And God forbid if it’s a 3 or 4 part question!

I’ve only been to one MTO night and that was when Alfie and Marquis (the latter who looked as though he didn’t want to be there) attended. I was disappointed to listen to one bloke who described the previous questioner as an a—-e hole when addressing Mr Bramall. I don’t think these nights have any value.

[Alan Southstand]

My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.

I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.

It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.

[ravenrover]

Hardly ever at the games? You sure about that Alan? Presume you habit the South stand so how are you so sure that they don't attend many games?

[TheFunk]

Someone keeps on nicking their parking spaces then.

[ForsolongaRover]

Goodwin gets criticised for “recycling”, but of course a journalist does not have unlimited access. His advantage is that he is objective, yet sympathetic as is obvious when he is in conversation online with Sunderland bloggers prior to our games with them.

He did a long stint commentating on iFollow or its predecessor and he always retained a balanced perspective. As a journalist I rate him higher than Hoden who was not as objective or succinct.

It is an honest appraisal even though I do not agree with every word.

[roversdude]

Have the DFP even done an interview with the club since Hoden left

[ForsolongaRover]

PG is usually the second to ask questions at the Manager Press Conferences and his style is less matey than his predecessor.

[silent majority]

My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.

I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.

It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.

Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.

Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.

And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.

In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.

[Alan Southstand]

I’m wrong? On so many counts? You’re having a laugh, I assume?

OK, I wasn’t going to bother, but here goes:

oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like

First of all, my comment was a bit ‘tongue-in-cheek’ but as some people seem to have had a sense of humour bypass, I’ll just ask this - tell me where I’ve ever said this before?

And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.

In my eyes, it is a waste of time. I’ve been to them in the past and the only questions I’ve ever wanted to ask are football related, so why go and ask the very people who don’t want to talk about football issues and just pass it over to whoever the manager is at that point in time. As far as I’m aware, we don’t have a meet the manager meetings, so, for me, they’re a waste of time.

At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe.

First of all, I wasn’t at the last one, but I did read what TB said in the DFP. I’m not sure he answered the question, as what he did say was along the lines of…….I’m not Bramelovic and went on to say DRFC will find their level. It wasn’t too long ago he was telling us that his ambition was for us to be a sustainable Championship Club! It’s not quite going to plan, is it? Yes, we’re starting to try and correct a few wrongs, but the proof of where we go next is yet to be realised.

And, finally:

Let me just say I have no ‘agenda’, I want my Club (and yes, despite the absolute shambles of the last 18 months or more, I still see them as my Club) to be as successful as they possibly can be. Now, even you Martin, can see that our success has been in short supply lately and I can only see a Club in a state of decline. Now, you have my permission to pass my answers to whoever you want in the ‘fan movement’ and maybe, just maybe, they can see that this supporter is far from having his ‘head in the sand’.

[Donny Exile in York]

My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.

I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.

It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.

Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.

Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.

And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.

In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.

Does TB's ambition for the club equate to watching Barlow lose the ball down the wing each home game? A very poor re-signing.

[vaya]

My point exactly, GR, but the number of people on here who suggest anyone with a gripe ought to to the MTO, as if, magically, all their concerns will be sorted.

I think there were approximately 200 attendees at the last MTO and there were something like 10 questions asked. I’ll let you do the maths.

It is a complete waste of time. The only thing it does is remind us what Blunt and Bramall look like, as they’re hardly ever at games.

Typical Alan, so wrong on many counts.

Firstly Blunt and Bramall attend most games, contrary to your oft repeated assertion that we need reminding what they look like, they are always at home games. Its rare for them both to miss a game, and very often they are both there. I'm sure others on this board can vouch for that.

And the MTO is not a waste of time. Those of us in the 'fan movement' who've advocated for increased 'fan engagement' and for club owners to listen to and involve themselves within the supporter base are appalled at your head in the sand attitude. The very fact that the owners turn up in person, along with all senior members of staff twice a year, is an activity that most other clubs can only dream of.

In so many ways its the same old damned if you do and damned if you don't. If they didn't hold an MTO event then they would be criticised for not doing so, and when they do they're criticised for it being a waste of time. The value of those evenings is asking the right questions, and then listening to the answers. At the last one TB definitely spelt out his ambitions for the club, but yet nobody pays any attention to that, they just want to believe what they want to believe. Just like you Alan, you get given the information and the answers, you just choose to keep ignoring it because it suits your agenda.

Does TB's ambition for the club equate to watching Barlow lose the ball down the wing each home game? A very poor re-signing.

He's not signed.

[steve@dcfd]

Quote from vaya
He's not signed.

But he’s been offered one Why ??

[vaya]

Quote from vaya
He's not signed.

But he’s been offered one Why ??

Presumably because the manager thinks he's worth one, whether people agree with it or not.