James Coppinger says actions must start speaking louder than words at Doncaster

[Alan Southstand]

Good piece by Copps in the DFP.

I’ll leave others to do the link thing.

[RoversAlias]

Rubbish "piece", every quote is lifted word for word from the official club interview with Copps last week. You can watch him say it all on YouTube, rather than on the advert-infested Free Press website.

[Alan Southstand]

I particularly like the headline, Alias. He may well have said it all on YouTube, but not everyone checks that. (I did, by the way).

The only thing he doesn’t refer to is the ‘b’ word, but refers to SOD and the success we had, but there’s no appreciation of what he had to work with when compared with, say, RW. I think that may have opened a seriously big can of worms, though.

[RoversAlias]

I thought the interview was decent, Alan. We all know Copps wants the best for Rovers and he will be keen to impress too, especially in this first summer in the role.

Here is the interview for anyone interested. Better than feeding the Free Press' laziness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhYX32R26OI

[since-1969]

I thought the interview was decent, Alan. We all know Copps wants the best for Rovers and he will be keen to impress too, especially in this first summer in the role.

Here is the interview for anyone interested. Better than feeding the Free Press' laziness:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhYX32R26OI

What exactly will his new role entail?

[Glyn_Wigley]

Rubbish "piece", every quote is lifted word for word from the official club interview with Copps last week. You can watch him say it all on YouTube, rather than on the advert-infested Free Press website.

Much better if he said f**k all and got shit flung at him for that, eh?

[RoversAlias]

Rubbish "piece", every quote is lifted word for word from the official club interview with Copps last week. You can watch him say it all on YouTube, rather than on the advert-infested Free Press website.

Much better if he said f**k all and got shit flung at him for that, eh?

What? The point of my first post is to make it clear that Copps didn't speak to the Free Press, they just copy and pasted his official club video interview in order to get clicks, and therefore ad revenue.

It had nothing to do with what Coppinger said. I commented on that in my second post.

[since-1969]

Sounds like more flannel .

[Janso]

Sounds like more flannel .

You'd know, eh?!

[Campsall rover]

Sounds like more flannel .

Now I know you are just attention seeking. Pathetic.

[roversdude]

The standard of “journalism” in the DFP sports section is shocking and is literally cut and paste. I think at least they gave a nod to that this time.
The items written by RoversAlias (even if I don’t agree with every word) are genuine and original

[Sammy Chung was King]

I agree the sports pages have gone downhill as has the whole newspaper. Full of adverts, very little worth reading. It Will go out of business if they don’t start improving it.

[since-1969]

Sounds like more flannel .

You'd know, eh?!

Did he say actually what his job entailed?
What will his responsibilities and to who he answers too.?
What will his targets be ?
He kept talking about his skill sets .. what are they ?

Flannel !!!

[Michael Shaw]

Hasn’t it always been true that actions must be louder than words. More useless, meaningless  rhetoric. We have desperately needed positive actions since Moore left, but all we have had is words.

So, does Copps report to McSheffrey or  McSheffrey report to Copps, or if they are on a par both reporting to Baldwin, could we have not afforded one experienced professional manager instead of two inexperienced ones? Disappointed by the departure of Ferguson, McCann and Moore the board have thrown away everything they have learned in a decade of running a football club.

Typical of the board to leave us all guessing and not explain anything.

[normal rules]

Coppinger said this:

“Professional football is more than just what you see on a Saturday. It’s about all the things you put in place to help you perform. I’ve been able to identify why certain cultures at this club over the years were successful or weren’t successful.”

I’d like to hear the detail around what he has identified.

[Jonathan]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

[Glyn_Wigley]

Rubbish "piece", every quote is lifted word for word from the official club interview with Copps last week. You can watch him say it all on YouTube, rather than on the advert-infested Free Press website.

Much better if he said f**k all and got shit flung at him for that, eh?

What? The point of my first post is to make it clear that Copps didn't speak to the Free Press, they just copy and pasted his official club video interview in order to get clicks, and therefore ad revenue.

It had nothing to do with what Coppinger said. I commented on that in my second post.

My apologies, I read your first post as though Copps was recycling previous comments. I hadn't seen your second comment then.

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

[ForsolongaRover]

It is easy to criticise newspapers when we all have so much access to information. Yes, they can go out and talk to people and report, but football clubs will take a dim view of anyone who is persistently “leaking” information.

There is a big picture and most of us have as much access to it as the professional newspaper man or woman. Judging by the number of contributions from some people on this forum I get the impression that there are people who spend all their leisure time online. Perhaps they might usefully go out into the town or hang around the training ground and see what they can find out (or not) without upsetting anyone

[pib]

Really don't understand the journo bashing. I thought Hoden did a good job, as does Paul Goodwin. I doubt the DFP sports desk has any control over the website being crap.

[DonnyBazR0ver]

If folk took the time to read the information provided and discussed in the 'Copps Interview' thread, which the article is based, they might learn something.

There's a link to an interview with the Huddersfield HoF which is quite enlightening. Perhaps doesn't answer all our questions but helps to understand the role better.

[RoversAlias]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

I'm not an "aspiring journalist". I work for a university and dabble in sports journalism on the side, a profession I'm fully qualified for.

This particular article is lazy. It is literally nothing but the words Copps spoke to the official club channel. The work for that interview was done by those who work for the club, and the Free Press have pasted it onto their site for clicks.

The state of print media is such that that is a common practice now by many paper outlets, but it shouldn't be. I don't have to accept that as acceptable coverage of the club, nor should you or anyone else.

Paul Goodwin is a good journalist, I haven't said otherwise. I liked his piece on the club's relegation put out a few days ago. I made no comment on the journalistic quality or integrity of him or anyone else. The Free Press have put out countless great articles and provided terrific coverage of the club, but I feel that standard has slipped somewhat in recent times for whatever reason.

My original post was simply clarifying that this was not an interview done with Copps by the Free Press. People who work for Doncaster Rovers and do a great, tireless job, conducted the interview and put it out on YouTube. They deserve the credit.

I'm not vindictive in any way towards the Free Press or its staff, and I completely reject you suggesting I am.

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

I've already written a wholly original opinion piece on Coppinger's appointment to the HoFO role. I don't make any money at all from writing about the club or sustaining ITEN, in fact it costs me over £100 a year to keep in existence. The Free Press will make money - however small an amount - from pasting someone else's work onto their site like in this instance.

Rovers fans deserve better coverage of their club from the only independent outlet which covers them in any depth, than this particular article. That's the bottom line of why I made my original post.

[pib]

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

[Jonathan]

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

[Sammy Chung was King]

If Coppinger wants “actions to speak louder than words!, then pull the boots back on and get on the pitch.

[RoversAlias]

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

[Glyn_Wigley]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

I've already written a wholly original opinion piece on Coppinger's appointment to the HoFO role. I don't make any money at all from writing about the club or sustaining ITEN, in fact it costs me over £100 a year to keep in existence. The Free Press will make money - however small an amount - from pasting someone else's work onto their site like in this instance.

Rovers fans deserve better coverage of their club from the only independent outlet which covers them in any depth, than this particular article. That's the bottom line of why I made my original post.

There's a good journalist, avoid the question and try and look pious instead.

[roversdude]

Not sure anyone can defend the standard of journalism in the DFP recently, it has been nothing but cut and paste from other sources

[Jonathan]

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

I’m not sure where your vindictiveness comes from, perhaps you’re amongst the people that have been called out in the past for tweeting the content of news reported on the Free Press account without linking the article? Your efforts to actively dissuade people from clicking a link that is clearly one of the primary means of sustaining the local press certainly appeared to come from a place of ill feeling. You’re obviously better placed to address your own motivation, and if trashing the DFP was merely your way of mounting a staunch defence of the Rovers in-house media team (credited within the DFP “rubbish piece”) then fair enough.

I do feel passionately about the need to retain a local written press. I don’t like everything about the DFP website, but I accept it has to be a certain way and generating clicks keeps the local journalists in paid work.

The Coppinger piece is a written account of an interview he gave, and it’s helped to enlighten some people.

[RoversAlias]

https://www.doncasterfreepress.co.uk/sport/football/james-coppinger-sets-his-stall-out-as-doncaster-rovers-face-up-to-relegation-3676709

Here is the link to the Free Press article for anyone wishing to read it. We’ve been very fortunate to see some excellent local journalists come through that route - none more so than Peter Catt, but also more recently Liam Hoden and Paul Goodwin have done a great job.

Sustaining a local news outlet must be so hard in this day and age, and the pandemic must have felt like the final nail in the written paper. Online content and clicks have to form a big part of the model now, and the ads are frustrating but they’re only there as the business has to make money somewhere.

To see an aspiring journalist vindictively trying to divert people from the last remaining established Doncaster news outlet (whatever we think of it) is really quite sad. Not everyone reads social media blogs for their content. The DFP article is very clear that it comes from an interview with the club’s in-house media team, that’s not lazy in my opinion. It’s reporting very relevant content from the club’s new Head of Football Operations. What’s to say the DFP even had an opportunity for an interview? So what can they do other than report what’s there? 

It begs the question as to whether the blogger (whoever they are) would report on what Copps has said, or ignore it to avoid 'rehashing' it..!

I've already written a wholly original opinion piece on Coppinger's appointment to the HoFO role. I don't make any money at all from writing about the club or sustaining ITEN, in fact it costs me over £100 a year to keep in existence. The Free Press will make money - however small an amount - from pasting someone else's work onto their site like in this instance.

Rovers fans deserve better coverage of their club from the only independent outlet which covers them in any depth, than this particular article. That's the bottom line of why I made my original post.

There's a good journalist, avoid the question and try and look pious instead.

Wow, okay. I didnt avoid any question. I write opinion pieces, I don’t report on every thing about the club. I certainly don't rehash anything, when I write something I put the effort in to make it original and something different from what's already out there - purely to offer fans another bit of writing about the club worth reading. You didn't even mention me by name in your last post even though you were clearly talking about me, which is somewhat underhanded really.

The DFP must’ve had permission to publish the quotes surely. Plus the written word is probably a better or preferred format for some people over the video.

Of course, and they credit the club’s in-house media team too. The criticism is totally uncalled for and comes across as vindictive.

Do you know what the word vindictive even means?

What possible reason for "vindictiveness" do I have? I have never had any direct dealings with the Free Press, I have no ill will towards them nor any reason to "seek vengeance" against them, which is what you're saying by using that word.

I have simply pointed out an aspect of how they operate that I don't particularly like, in order to direct credit at the people who actually did the interview in question in this thread.

I stand by the point I made, one which was minor and which was moved on from to discuss Copps' actual words by the third post in this topic.

You haven't responded to a single thing I said in my last post either. To be honest Jonathan, it's starting to feel like you have something personal against me, because I can't for the life of me work out why you're so passionate to defend the Doncaster Free Press from a minor criticism on an internet forum.

You don't know anything about me to be throwing words like "vindictive" out there about me. Accusing me of things that simply are not at all my motivation, I think that is actually completely uncalled for.

I’m not sure where your vindictiveness comes from, perhaps you’re amongst the people that have been called out in the past for tweeting the content of news reported on the Free Press account without linking the article? Your efforts to actively dissuade people from clicking a link that is clearly one of the primary means of sustaining the local press certainly appeared to come from a place of ill feeling. You’re obviously better placed to address your own motivation, and if trashing the DFP was merely your way of mounting a staunch defence of the Rovers in-house media team (credited within the DFP “rubbish piece”) then fair enough.

I do feel passionately about the need to retain a local written press. I don’t like everything about the DFP website, but I accept it has to be a certain way and generating clicks keeps the local journalists in paid work.

The Coppinger piece is a written account of an interview he gave, and it’s helped to enlighten some people.

Wow, another baseless accusation. I used to share Free Press articles on Twitter - always including the link - purely to share it so people could read it. One day I did this and Liam Hoden didn't like that I was a bit too detailed in the tweet, completely innocently by the way, and said as much. So I stopped sharing Free Press articles and largely stayed away from commenting on them at all. That was a couple of years ago, so I am perplexed as to why you've retained that so strongly when it had nothing to do with you.

I'm done with this now. It's not the point of the topic and some of the personal things you've said in this thread Jonathan are actually very upsetting.

The amount of time I've devoted to writing and talking about Rovers, on my website, on this website, for Glen's wonderful fanzine, and for loads of independent outlets, for no other motivation than because I love the club and enjoy writing about it, obviously means absolutely nothing when someone who doesn't know me, has never met me nor spoken to me directly, repeatedly accuses me of being "vindictive" for making a valid criticism of one newspaper piece and then pulls up one minor twitter exchange from years back.

I've never said anything personal about you Jonathan. When I've disagreed with things you've said on here, I've either debated them hopefully fairly, or moved on without getting involved. I don't think  the way you've repeatedly accused me of something plainly untrue here is very nice at all, and feels like a target attack.

As I say, I'm done with this now. I hope Copps does a good job in his new role and the club turn things around under his guidance.