The things they said.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This is my favourite of the last decade, just before the 2015 election.

https://mobile.twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?lang=en

[BillyStubbsTears]

On the topic of strong and stable government, I wonder when we have Eton College proscribed as a hostile entity?

The last 5 PMs to have completed an education at Eton are:

Boris Johnson
David Cameron
Alec Douglas-Home
Anthony Eden
Arthur Balfour.

The last three generally make up the bottom three of political historians ranking of 20th century PMs. Between them, they lasted in No10 for a fraction over 6 years.

Balfour inherited a majority of 134 seats, and within 3.5 years lost in a landslide election that cost the Tories 246 seats.

Eden launched a madcap colonial war which he ran while gobbling down Speed to keep him going, until undet American threats, he had a nervous breakdown and was bundled off to Ian Fleming's luxury resort in the Caribbean to recover for months. He lasted 18 months as effective PM.

Lord Home was a stand-in after Harold Macmillan became ill. He was general seen as an amiable old duffer who belonged to a list pre-War world. He lost a general election within 12 months of taking over.

Then the chaos of Cameron and Johnson.

Not a good track record is it? I wonder if Johnson will be the very last Old Etonian in No10?

[danumdon]

This is my favourite of the last decade, just before the 2015 election.

https://mobile.twitter.com/david_cameron/status/595112367358406656?lang=en

The thing is though BST we will never know "what we may have won" with EM, If ever a bloke was made for a radio world only then ED would of been king.

[SydneyRover]

whooooooo you never know, but vote for an ex-adman

[BillyStubbsTears]

DD.
That's a pretty poor argument

"Yeah it's been shit but it might have been worse".

You can use that line to argue against anything.

The chaos of the country being tipped into an Etonian cock fight was clear enough for anyone to see in 2015. Plenty of us predicted it.

What, specifically, do you think would have happened had Labour won in 2015?

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

All good at changing tune aren't they?

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1148599172419006464?t=-xdAmB1RyBXVYr-Vv2LFcQ&s=19

[SydneyRover]

All good at changing tune aren't they?

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1148599172419006464?t=-xdAmB1RyBXVYr-Vv2LFcQ&s=19

I would have thought being a numbers man you wished that had been one pud

[Bentley Bullet]

I'm not one for predicting but the way I see it, had Labour won in 2015 the Tories would have won by a landslide in 2019, removing the hideous Corbyn Monoxide and his even more hideous sidekick Diane Abbott. She should then have realised that of all her blunders her biggest one was splitting with her former partner, Lou Costello.

[SydneyRover]

not one for predicting ..... hmmm

[BillyStubbsTears]

BB.
Corbyn wasnt the leader in the 2015 GE.

Do you want to have another go?

[Bentley Bullet]

I don't recall saying he was!

[belton rover]

All good at changing tune aren't they?

https://twitter.com/Keir_Starmer/status/1148599172419006464?t=-xdAmB1RyBXVYr-Vv2LFcQ&s=19

They’re all the same.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Go on the. BB.

If he wasn't the leader in the 2015 GE, and Labour won that GE, talk me through how a 2019 GE landslide would have specifically removed him.

And yes, I understand you are hurting right now. The liar you always supported has been booted our for lying. His opponent who you despise turns out to have been telling the truth all the time. I know this is a difficult time for you. But do try to up your games a bit.

[Bentley Bullet]

My predictions don't stretch that far. They tend to become less accurate.

Like I've said before, the proper liars are the Labour party members who know they can only win elections by proposing more right-wing manifestoes and then showing their true colours by moving left once they gain power. I predicted this would have happened in 2015, had Milliband won. He would have then been replaced by Corbyn, who would have been annihilated in the next GE.

[Bentley Bullet]

Oh, I see you corrected your Abbottesque blunder before I responded!

[SydneyRover]

I guess this comes under the title of the thread .......

''How embarrassing. He's just been torn a new arsehole by Sophie Raworth on the Sunday Morning programme, and even resorted to sniggering rather than answering a question regarding whether his rule-breaking on restrictions was actually worse than that of the Downing Street incident!

God help us''

[BillyStubbsTears]

My predictions don't stretch that far. They tend to become less accurate.

Like I've said before, the proper liars are the Labour party members who know they can only win elections by proposing more right-wing manifestoes and then showing their true colours by moving left once they gain power. I predicted this would have happened in 2015, had Milliband won. He would have then been replaced by Corbyn, who would have been annihilated in the next GE.

Which stage of grief is this? Is it Anger? Or Denial?

[danumdon]

DD.
That's a pretty poor argument

"Yeah it's been shit but it might have been worse".

You can use that line to argue against anything.

The chaos of the country being tipped into an Etonian cock fight was clear enough for anyone to see in 2015. Plenty of us predicted it.

What, specifically, do you think would have happened had Labour won in 2015?

Im thinking along the line of Labour having won in 2015, we would of obviously still been in the EU, public sector spending would of risen to over 75% in no time at all, god only knows where it would be now after the pandemic and the economic crisis, you could guarantee that labour would of gone very large with furlough cash for every man and his dog, taxation would now be at at a level where anyone who had the where with all, would be living in exile. any average Joe would now be paying an even greater burden than the Tories are having to introduce. We would be in hock to the EU for massive payments to maintain their structural and cohesion spending.

But, at lease the PM could turn up at glitzy EU functions, listen to some sob stories from the French and then stump up even more cash.

Remember the bast**ds made us pay an additional couple of billion because they had miscalculated our "revenue" from prostitution and the black economy FFS. what government in their right mind would agree to this nonsense.Cameron reluctantly paid it, im imagining Labour offering to pay double.

I'm imagining that YOU would be now paying even more of your hard earned towards the social structure of our nation, seems like your ok with that which is great for you but a great many consider they already pay more than enough.

Something positive to look forward too when Saint Keith gets the gig?

[BillyStubbsTears]

"public sector spending would of risen to over 75% in no time at all,"

DD.
If you HONESTLY believe this then God help democracy.

[tyke1962]

People can criticise Corbyn for me because there was much to criticise .

The question some of you should be asking yourselves is why he came to become leader of the Labour Party ? , why he increased the membership to the extent it became the biggest political party in Europe ? , why he managed to get so many especially younger people excited and engaged in the Labour movement ? and also won two Leadership elections emphatically .

Something not right there with the centre of the Labour Party wouldn't you say .

[danumdon]

"public sector spending would of risen to over 75% in no time at all,"

DD.
If you HONESTLY believe this then God help democracy.

Given what's happened these last 7 years with a Labour administration massively loosening the purse strings along with the (none Brexit)fall in GDP due to the pandemic and economic situation is this not possible?

[wilts rover]

DD.
That's a pretty poor argument

"Yeah it's been shit but it might have been worse".

You can use that line to argue against anything.

The chaos of the country being tipped into an Etonian cock fight was clear enough for anyone to see in 2015. Plenty of us predicted it.

What, specifically, do you think would have happened had Labour won in 2015?

Im thinking along the line of Labour having won in 2015, we would of obviously still been in the EU, public sector spending would of risen to over 75% in no time at all, god only knows where it would be now after the pandemic and the economic crisis, you could guarantee that labour would of gone very large with furlough cash for every man and his dog, taxation would now be at at a level where anyone who had the where with all, would be living in exile. any average Joe would now be paying an even greater burden than the Tories are having to introduce. We would be in hock to the EU for massive payments to maintain their structural and cohesion spending.

But, at lease the PM could turn up at glitzy EU functions, listen to some sob stories from the French and then stump up even more cash.

Remember the bast**ds made us pay an additional couple of billion because they had miscalculated our "revenue" from prostitution and the black economy FFS. what government in their right mind would agree to this nonsense.Cameron reluctantly paid it, im imagining Labour offering to pay double.

I'm imagining that YOU would be now paying even more of your hard earned towards the social structure of our nation, seems like your ok with that which is great for you but a great many consider they already pay more than enough.

Something positive to look forward too when Saint Keith gets the gig?

Public sector spending is probably more than that now. Its just that taxpayers money now goes to a private company to provide a worse but more expensive service to the public -- but much more profitable to a small group of shareholders.

[drfchound]

"public sector spending would of risen to over 75% in no time at all,"

DD.
If you HONESTLY believe this then God help democracy.

This from a man who was advocating that small Party’s with no chance of winning should not be allowed to stand in elections.
A bst type of democracy.

[Branton Red]

On the topic of strong and stable government, I wonder when we have Eton College proscribed as a hostile entity?

The last 5 PMs to have completed an education at Eton are:

Boris Johnson
David Cameron
Alec Douglas-Home
Anthony Eden
Arthur Balfour.

The last three generally make up the bottom three of political historians ranking of 20th century PMs. Between them, they lasted in No10 for a fraction over 6 years.

Balfour inherited a majority of 134 seats, and within 3.5 years lost in a landslide election that cost the Tories 246 seats.

Eden launched a madcap colonial war which he ran while gobbling down Speed to keep him going, until undet American threats, he had a nervous breakdown and was bundled off to Ian Fleming's luxury resort in the Caribbean to recover for months. He lasted 18 months as effective PM.

Lord Home was a stand-in after Harold Macmillan became ill. He was general seen as an amiable old duffer who belonged to a list pre-War world. He lost a general election within 12 months of taking over.

Then the chaos of Cameron and Johnson.

Not a good track record is it? I wonder if Johnson will be the very last Old Etonian in No10?

Not critiquing your basic argument but I'd swap Home (on to a loser, did little harm) with Chamberlain to give my 3 worst PMs of the 20th Century - I don't hold with revisionist historians theories on appeasement.

Putting personal opinions on his policies to one side we've had far worse PM's than Cameron down the years.

Comfortably the worst PM of the 21st Century so far has been May - no policies, little direction, ditherer, weak leadership, lost her voters support massively. It takes a spectacular form of incompetence to call a GE and lose your majority. She's well in contention to be the worst PM of the 20th and 21st Centuries combined.

[SydneyRover]

'no policies' would have been far better for the country than Austerity and Brexit but only if one wants a better economy.

[tyke1962]

On the topic of strong and stable government, I wonder when we have Eton College proscribed as a hostile entity?

The last 5 PMs to have completed an education at Eton are:

Boris Johnson
David Cameron
Alec Douglas-Home
Anthony Eden
Arthur Balfour.

The last three generally make up the bottom three of political historians ranking of 20th century PMs. Between them, they lasted in No10 for a fraction over 6 years.

Balfour inherited a majority of 134 seats, and within 3.5 years lost in a landslide election that cost the Tories 246 seats.

Eden launched a madcap colonial war which he ran while gobbling down Speed to keep him going, until undet American threats, he had a nervous breakdown and was bundled off to Ian Fleming's luxury resort in the Caribbean to recover for months. He lasted 18 months as effective PM.

Lord Home was a stand-in after Harold Macmillan became ill. He was general seen as an amiable old duffer who belonged to a list pre-War world. He lost a general election within 12 months of taking over.

Then the chaos of Cameron and Johnson.

Not a good track record is it? I wonder if Johnson will be the very last Old Etonian in No10?

Not critiquing your basic argument but I'd swap Home (on to a loser, did little harm) with Chamberlain to give my 3 worst PMs of the 20th Century - I don't hold with revisionist historians theories on appeasement.

Putting personal opinions on his policies to one side we've had far worse PM's than Cameron down the years.

Comfortably the worst PM of the 21st Century so far has been May - no policies, little direction, ditherer, weak leadership, lost her voters support massively. It takes a spectacular form of incompetence to call a GE and lose your majority. She's well in contention to be the worst PM of the 20th and 21st Centuries combined.

I have to say Thatcher Branton and that's not because I was former NUM by the way .

Everything that's wrong with this country is a symptom of her Premiership in my opinion .

[drfchound]

If Labour win then we should be ok then with Starmers no policy policies.

[tyke1962]

If Labour win then we should be ok then with Starmers no policy policies.

He's got a real problem Hound , the Remain voters who normally vote Labour are going mental because of his policy of not wanting to rejoin the SM or CU .

They are either going to have to hold their noses and vote Labour or transfer their vote to the Dems or Greens which obviously spells trouble .

Even though Keith has stated that Labour have no plans to rejoin the SM and CU it doesn't necessarily mean the Red Wall vote will return either .

The current polls have Labour 12% ahead but you'd pretty much expect that given the last few days .

If the Tories pull a rabbit out of the hat and a new leader with a fresh face and not corrupted by the  Johnson administration then today's news maybe as good as it ever gets .

[SydneyRover]

I'd have thought that someone that enabled johnson would be a little more circumspect, but there you go

[ravenrover]

I think it was Emily Thornberry in an interview several months ago said there was no possibility of re joing EU so it's hardly breaking news