Doncaster airport

[Sprotyrover]

Save DSA also ran a link to Jet2 who have announced they are looking to double their fleet in the next 5 years, they have 146 Aircraft on order. That's a lot of Aircraft to ly out of LBA ,or even park up!

[Filo]

Consultations on job losses have also been paused, lets hope this is a sign of progress

[DonnyBazR0ver]

Oliver Coppard is holding a meeting at the Racecourse tonight which might shed more light on these things, although he is not directly involved in the negotiations.

[Donnywolf]

Was watching my Vid of First flight out Tui to Majorca

Big crowd , all proud and potentially thinking wow , the sky is the limit

Now it looks so sad and bleak that we become a City and no Airport now

Just hoping someone steps in but I'm in the Peel will do what Peel want to do camp

[SydneyRover]

Ros Jones fb

 ............ ''At Doncaster Council Full Council meeting yesterday we got unanimous cross party support for our efforts in trying to save Doncaster Sheffield Airport. This month Doncaster Council filed legal proceedings seeking a Judicial Review of the decision to close the Airport - and the process followed by Peel in reaching that decision'' ................

https://www.facebook.com/MayorRos/

[Filo]

Just had this sent

[ravenrover]

Can you translate the abbreviations please I get the DSA what are the others?

[Filo]

Can you translate the abbreviations please I get the DSA what are the others?

ATS= Air Traffic Service

NOTAM= Notice to Air Men

[Janso]

Nadal,  zilch , nowt that I have heard.

Let's hope no news is good news but with Peel I doubt it

I've been pessimistic since I saw their first announcement and still think they are crafty b******s with a win win situation in their portfolio (NOT for the first time ... they are past masters at this )

Rafa Nadal part of the consortium is he?

[silent majority]

Consultations on job losses have also been paused, lets hope this is a sign of progress

Might be a bit late for that, all the DSA staff, and ex-staff, had their leaving do last night.

[phil o sophical]

According to reports in the press today talks have stalled because according to Peel they haven't been given full details of where the money is coming from. There's an awful lot of twists and turns before this saga is played out one way or another

[Dagenham Rover]

According to reports in the press today talks have stalled because according to Peel they haven't been given full details of where the money is coming from. There's an awful lot of twists and turns before this saga is played out one way or another

On the Save DSA site Mark has been assured talks are ongoing but someone (i wonder who? ) is trying to discredit them plus as usual from the press it seems to be a bit of a mish mash of old stories 

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

Equally, who's feeding him that info and why?

Talks like this will be very sensitive and the funding piece will have to be very clear for legal reasons.  There won't be a quick fix, you can't buy an airport in a few weeks.

[Dagenham Rover]

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Mark ChadwickSAVE Doncaster Sheffield Airport
Mark Chadwick  ·
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There seems to be a few bits happening so I thought I'd add a little update
All the internal passenger services have left and all fixtures and fittings have been removed
Wetherspoons, Costa, subway, whsmiths, World duty free have removed all their property
Swiss Air have taken all their equipment away and staff have moved on some to other swissport contracts and some have taken redundancy
Last week friday the CAA airspace and airport licence was to be suspended by Peel.
On Thursday this was
Postponed until further notice
this means that the airport site must stay compliant and operational
So at present There is staff still working at DSA
We have
Air Traffic Control
Security
Fire service
Operations
Engineering
All security equipment the x Ray machines the baggage handling and checkin is all still there and operational passport control etc all in place
These have to be there so that the airport stays compliant and still operational for licensing purposes
The cargo/freight operation was closed down some time ago yet some cargo staff is still employed by Peel
And we shouldn't forget consort aviation fixed operating base for private jets closed same time as Cargo and still employed by Peel as well
At present it's still an operational airport with no passenger or cargo flights
Now I'm sure this is a terrible situation for the staff to be in and my heart goes out to them speaking to some over the last few weeks working at dsa isn't a job it's like having another family it's the best job in the world for most staff.
 Some staff still there have new jobs to go to but can't leave as they would loose any redundancy payments due if they left.
Some don't want to leave and are staying no matter what seeing it out to the end until we get an answer from these ongoing talks
Press articles were released yesterday and today stating that talks have stalled between Peel and the UAE investors as they (peel) cannot prove if The UAE Investors have the relevant funds and that the people are credible and they can have a sale with them
 I was reliably informed that info in these articles was false news to cause disruption and that an NDA has probably been broken by releasing the investors identities
So talks are still ongoing this hiccup is part and parcel of this type of deal
You sell a house an offer is made your solicitor  would check the offer is good and that they have the relevant mortgage/funds in place the buyer would be checking that you own the property and can sell it and also having surveys done on the property etc
So the discussions and possible sale of the airport will take some time and there will be a large number of steps involved to get there.
Tomorrow DMBC are in court to get an injunction/ judicial review what ever they want to call it
To stop Peel doing anything to the airport site, i believe the subject of the court case is that Peel must keep the airport fully compliant and operational while talks are ongoing so theres no removal of assets and keep staff and licensing in place, and also to review Peels closure procedures
Tomorrow's a big day and it all depends on the result from the courts as to the next steps
 I hope Peel are forced into a corner that they find hard to get out of and may well have to keep talking to and sell the airport to the investors
 Keeping the airport operational
they may realise that they have to sell the airport Now and take what's been offered
 an above market value offer or risk the fight on a CPO and then get a lot less for it if its valued as a field rather than an airport
Peel will stop talking to the investors and do what they want to
DMBC hand is then forced and they have to carry out the threatened CPO which will take  some time and the airport will close until all is carried out
So let's.all hope for an outcome in DMBCs favour

[grayx]

Any news??

[Bentley Bullet]

I've had a dream.

It will be saved.

[donnyguy]

All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December

[i_ateallthepies]

I've had a dream.

It will be saved.

How do you save a dream? 

[Bentley Bullet]

I've had a dream.

It will be saved.

How do you save a dream? 

I keep them under my nightcap.

[grayx]

All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December

Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k

[Donnywolf]

It is more valuable than the sum of its parts ... that's for sure.

It would be a great loss to the local economy whereas as you say it could still be a real gold mine in the hands of someone who wanted to make it work and take advantage of its advantages

[Dagenham Rover]

All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December

Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k

Apparently this goes against a legal agreement between the Council and Peel  oh and guess who the air traffic controllers are employed by............ you've guessed it one of the many companies under the Peel umbrella

[big fat yorkshire pudding]

All air traffic controllers are to be made redundant at 23:59 on 2nd December

Sounds like its the end then. Proper pisses me off cos im sure in the right hands the airport would be a gold mine. Wont get any help from this lot in charge of the country.’k

Apparently this goes against a legal agreement between the Council and Peel  oh and guess who the air traffic controllers are employed by............ you've guessed it one of the many companies under the Peel umbrella

And therein lies the problem as to why there will never be the option to assess if it is making money or not as the trading between their companies is so segregated you'd never see the true underlying position.  Sad to see their threat around making the company insolvent.  The way they set their companies up appears at best immoral and no doubt they'll have expensive lawyers who've assessed it all to be legal.

If the government truly wants local people to have a say in their area, they'll allow the LA power to refuse any further development.  Unfortunately I doubt the owners care about that and there should be strong financial penalties in place on vacant land.  A proper mess!

[BobG]

For those of you who remember ICI, at one point in their history - 1980's? - they adopted an intra company trading model. In other words, each separate subsiodiary company of the overall ICI bought and sold their internal material and product requirements at prices designed to ensure that every internal company was profitable. It worked.

The snag was that piling margin on margin, and often, on margin again, led to final end user sales prices being so staggeringly expensive that no real customer with actual real pound notes bought anything at all. The individial component companies within ICI were trading profitably but the overall ICI conglomerate was losing money so fast it would have gone bankrupt without a change of policy.

Now, apply that trading model to Peel. Chuffing easy to demonstrate losing money in any parituclar operation you desire.

BobG

[DonnyBazR0ver]

I somehow get the feeling Peel have been tipped off about the outcome of the judicial review/court injunction however, as far as we know negotiations are still ongoing with the UAE investors.

Only once those talks are exhausted will DMBC go ahead with compulsory purchase but that means it will take much longer to get the airport back up and running, and I would guess we would still need the interest of the new investors if they are prepared to wait for the CPO to conclude.

If they back out, then I think that will be curtains for the airport. Further down the line, how long do you keep refusing planning permission to Peel when there could be scope for inward investment? Yes, Peel get their way in the end but chucking alot of public money at this without any private backing would be very risky.

[Filo]

Courts rule against Doncaster Council, no judicial review

[Dagenham Rover]

Courts rule against Doncaster Council, no judicial review

Cpo now being started but statement in free press saying talks are still ongoing with prospective buyers


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[big fat yorkshire pudding]

The judgement is interesting reading.  Essentially the judgement to me reads as though they've concluded the airport is a business not a public asset and that Peel took the right steps to conclude other uses are best for it financially for them (as is their right).  In some ways that is hard to deny.  I feel that gets to the crux of the CPO aswell, it's tough to see there being enough grounds to complete that you'd think.

I'd say the only way it survives is if the buy out is accepted and goes ahead.

[Dagenham Rover]

The judgement is interesting reading.  Essentially the judgement to me reads as though they've concluded the airport is a business not a public asset and that Peel took the right steps to conclude other uses are best for it financially for them (as is their right).  In some ways that is hard to deny.  I feel that gets to the crux of the CPO aswell, it's tough to see there being enough grounds to complete that you'd think.

I'd say the only way it survives is if the buy out is accepted and goes ahead.

Will Peel risk the cpo being successful and them getting basically a pittance or take the "well above market price offer" At least the discussions are still ongoing with the potential buyers
 

[Filo]

Don’t know how true this is, posted on an aviation forum