How much has Johnson cost the country

[wilts rover]

Just seen this written down and was staggered by it:

Fall in GDP due to Brexit = £30 billion per year
Test & Waste = £37 billion
Covid loans fraud write off = £16 billion
Usless PPE = £9 billion
EU Divorce Bill = £43 billion

All this has to be paid for by taxpayers. Never again should the Tories be able to say they are safe with the economy - and Sunak was chancellor for most of it.

[drfchound]

With respect wilts I would suggest that people who voted in favour of Brexit might have been a big contributor to some of those costs.

[tyke1962]

The Financial Crash unregulated under a Labour government cost the UK £500bn .

[ravenrover]

And?

[tyke1962]

And?

Which bit didn't you understand ?

[ravenrover]

What has it to do with the current situation?

[tyke1962]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

[BillyStubbsTears]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

I blame it all on William the Conqueror. Never been the same since.

Just out of interest Tyke, which bit of the American sub-prime mortgage market do you think Brown was at fault for not regulating?

[ravenrover]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

And it was all Gordon Browns fauly? History Eh?
Why not go back further in time I'm sure there are lots of other examples?

[tyke1962]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

I blame it all on William the Conqueror. Never been the same since.

Just out of interest Tyke, which bit of the American sub-prime mortgage market do you think Brown was at fault for not regulating?

I think the bit where it cost the UK £500bn offers a clue Billy .

You get in to bed with neoliberalism for 13 years of power don't come belly aching to me .

[tyke1962]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

And it was all Gordon Browns fauly? History Eh?
Why not go back further in time I'm sure there are lots of other examples?

If the facts don't suit your agenda then unfortunately I've nowt else to add .

[SydneyRover]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

From a typical tory, what else would we expect.

[tyke1962]

What has it to do with the current situation?

Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour .

From a typical tory, what else would we expect.

Well you lost the 2010 and 2015 elections on the strength of it so go figure .

[SydneyRover]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

[tyke1962]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .

The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .

Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .

Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .

You make your bed and you lay in it .

[SydneyRover]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .

The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .

Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .

Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .

You make your bed and you lay in it .

this was your post tyke

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

can you please put in front of all future comments?

[tyke1962]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .

The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .

Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .

Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .

You make your bed and you lay in it .

this was your post tyke

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

can you please put in front of all future comments?

Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .

Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .

It's not fair is it , poor you .

You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .

Changed this country forever .

Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .

The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .

The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .

[SydneyRover]

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''

For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page

[BillyStubbsTears]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .

The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .

Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .

Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .

You make your bed and you lay in it .

this was your post tyke

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

can you please put in front of all future comments?

Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .

Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .

It's not fair is it , poor you .

You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .

Changed this country forever .

Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .

The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .

The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .

Problem is Tyke, the politics you've surrounded yourself with has never got within a mile of Downing Street.

You cling to it like a comfort blanket and hurl abuse at those on the Left who actually do get into power and make changes that are possible.

You're in a dream world mate.

[tyke1962]

OK tyke, your big chance to show you know what you're talking about, please explain why. Try not to mention Starmer.

Because the electorate concluded you couldn't be trusted with the economy .

The Tories successfully pinned the blame on you for Austerity .

Remember the post it note from the Treasury , " there's no money left " .

Anytime you get in to bed with people you should be ideological opposing don't come crying to me Sydney .

You make your bed and you lay in it .

this was your post tyke

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

can you please put in front of all future comments?

Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .

Problem is history tends to be on my side and the electorate concluded that if you owned the Sahara Desert you'd run out of sand in five years .

It's not fair is it , poor you .

You had the opportunity to put the Tories out of business altogether in 97 with a coalition with the Dems .

Changed this country forever .

Your that fecking weak you didn't take it and that's your problem .

The Tories are ruthless and that's why they win and even with power you still have to dance to their tune .

The politics I've surrounded myself with would have spat on the Tory grave in 97 and laughed .

Problem is Tyke, the politics you've surrounded yourself with has never got within a mile of Downing Street.

You cling to it like a comfort blanket and hurl abuse at those on the Left who actually do get into power and make changes that are possible.

You're in a dream world mate.

Billy if you want to be a sycophant all your life then that's up to you with your soft shyte safe politics for a sniff of power .

I've more respect for Thatcher than I have for you lot , at least she challenged the norm , stuck to her guns and changed this country .

You lot haven't the brains or the minerals which isn't exactly a great combination .

You think a sniff of power makes this right , your deluded fella .

Your the tribute Tory band .

The present dumb ass can't even support a credible railway strike .

What's the fecking point of you ?

[tyke1962]

''Almost everything today is a tentacle of the financial crash under New Labour''

''Alternatively you could counter my comments and come back to me with some credible facts .''

For me to do that tyke you would need to explain, in English preferably exactly what you want and answer just a few of the balmy posts you yourself have put up about your thinking and when it happened, there are more changes to than a Mordaunt wiki page

Yet your present leader resembles a weathervane  but you support him anyway .

[BillyStubbsTears]

Yes Tyke. I get it. You've been saying it for years. You'd rather have a Tory Govt than a Labour one that wasn't exactly what you want it to be.

Good luck with that. You had your chance in 1983, 2017 and 2019 and look where we ended up.

[SydneyRover]

tyke, deal with the things you can change. Get out of the house and make change happen, sitting on the couch having the shit's with everything is not helping.

''The secret story behind Ash Barty’s primal scream''

''Ash Barty’s mindset coach Ben Crowe is not surprised that life coaches are in greater demand than ever before, saying the pandemic has challenged everyone to deal with things they cannot control.

Crowe says not getting distracted by all the “uncontrollables” was crucial to helping Barty break the country’s 44-year drought for Australian women at their home grand slam.''

https://www.afr.com/work-and-careers/leaders/the-secret-story-behind-ash-barty-s-primal-scream-20220130-p59sbk#:~:text=Ash%20Barty's%20mindset%20coach%20Ben,with%20things%20they%20cannot%20control.

[Colemans Left Hook]

lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em)  in front of you


"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on

By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News

    Published 7 May 2019"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767

[SydneyRover]

lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em)  in front of you


"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on

By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News

    Published 7 May 2019"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767

If you could point to the relevance of this to the GFC and Brexit CLH (the secret tory)

[SydneyRover]

The price of gold. Brown made some errors of timing but I guess all those criticising bought their gold at the bottom of the market and are now extremely rich.

https://www.macrotrends.net/1333/historical-gold-prices-100-year-chart

[wilts rover]

lets dangle a carrot (in fact 24 of em)  in front of you


"Gold: Gordon Brown's sale remains controversial 20 years on

By Russell Hotten
Business reporter, BBC News

    Published 7 May 2019"

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-48177767

Undervaluation of shares in RM privatisation under Cameron costs taxpayer £750 miliion

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/apr/30/lazard-bank-royal-mail-shares-profit-flotation-margaret-hodge

[Donnywolf]

I'd like to know where we just "get" as much money as we do from.

Everything they mention these days is "we have just given them x million or x billion". Latest was building drug rehab centers in Prisons and immediately  Govt pledged 160 or 190 million quid.

Multiply that by dozens of similar causes... add in 37 billion they have pledged for " energy " offsetting and another 37 billion for Test & Trace

Loads spent on furlough etc etc and lots squandered when people (obvs) helped themselves to lots they were not entitled to ... and then was it 4 billion they wrote off by not chasing the fraudsters

Yet at the height of the Pandemic they refused to keep the £20 uplift to Universal Credit and used to say "there is no magic money tree" . But is there ... where do we get these lumps of money from.

I didn't do economics at School or since then and presume it comes from a World Bank but when do they run out of readies and who funds them

[Colemans Left Hook]

Gilts ... The highest i remember was about  14.5% Exchequer redeemable in1990 odd

And of course BB will remember war loan stock from the first world war (it did what it said on the tin) was it 2.5% ..itwasatthe time undated


Meaning if you lent the government £1_they would pay you 2.5% for ever ...unless you sold the certificate they issued to you .. On the market post war

So inthe 1980s every £1 you bought insay 1916 wasworth about 25 pence if you soldit on the market

Which at that time was very poor reward for your relatives being patriotic.....


You have heard of stocks and shares .. But none of you havethought what is "stock".

And only knew the Rovers player

[Glyn_Wigley]

Gilts ... The highest i remember was about  14.5% Exchequer redeemable in1990 odd

And of course BB will remember war loan stock from the first world war (it did what it said on the tin) was it 2.5% ..itwasatthe time undated


Meaning if you lent the government £1_they would pay you 2.5% for ever ...unless you sold the certificate they issued to you .. On the market post war

So inthe 1980s every £1 you bought insay 1916 wasworth about 25 pence if you soldit on the market

Which at that time was very poor reward for your relatives being patriotic.....


You have heard of stocks and shares .. But none of you havethought what is "stock".

And only knew the Rovers player

The government can buy them back at any time. It doesn't look like you know what stock is either.