truss

[River Don]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

[SydneyRover]

''Rightwing thinktanks run this government. But first, they had to capture the BBC''

''Some of it is easy to understand. Liz Truss, a hollow vessel filled with secondhand ideas by the dark-money thinktanks, believed their assurances that the magic of an unregulated market and tax cuts for the very rich would trigger an economic boom. The thinktanks must scarcely have believed their luck: that someone so malleable could become prime minister.

On the day of the mini-budget, they crowed about taking over the government. The Conservative Home founder, Tim Montgomerie, remarked that this was “a massive moment” for the Institute of Economic Affairs (IEA), which had “incubated Truss and Kwarteng during their early years as MPs. Britain is now their laboratory.” The head of the institute, Mark Littlewood, then retweeted his comment with a sunglasses emoji.

I see these thinktanks, which refuse to reveal the sources of their funding, as lobbyists for hidden interests. We know from leaks and US reports that these include, in some cases, tobacco firms, oil firms and foreign oligarchs. But there is one question to which no one has provided a complete and satisfactory answer.

Day after day, year after year, the BBC has provided these extremists with a massive platform on its news and current affairs programmes. Major BBC programmes including Today, Question Time, Newsnight and Any Questions? are populated by speakers from the Institute of Economic Affairs, the Adam Smith Institute, the Taxpayers’ Alliance, the Centre for Policy Studies and Policy Exchange. These groups also happen to have been rated by the campaign Who Funds You? as among the most opaque of all those it investigated''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/oct/05/rightwing-thinktanks-government-bbc-news-programmes


''Has Liz Truss handed power over to the extreme neoliberal thinktanks?''

https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2022/sep/23/liz-truss-power-extreme-neoliberal-thinktanks

[tyke1962]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

These are a selection of Tory Members .

It's a particularly hard watch to be honest .

https://youtu.be/lAY_IizLWMw

[wilts rover]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

Note a rumour RD - it's a fact you can be a Tory Party member whilst living abroad. You don't even need to be a UK voter or any connection at all to the UK.

It has been highlighted that the Conservative Party does not require members to be UK citizens, nor for members to be registered to vote in this country.

Under the ‘frequently asked questions’ on the Conservative website, the party states that “Overseas residents are invited to join Conservatives Abroad and will be entitled to all the benefits of party membership. Your membership will be administered by Cities of London and Westminster Conservative Association”

https://bylinetimes.com/2022/07/22/concern-over-foreign-interference-and-conservative-membership-rules/

[drfchound]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

RD, do Labour Party members have to be elected?
That is a genuine question because I don’t know.
Are some LP members also non UK residents (I think I know the answer to that).

[River Don]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

RD, do Labour Party members have to be elected?
That is a genuine question because I don’t know.
Are some LP members also non UK residents (I think I know the answer to that).

I don't think the arrangements the Labour Party has for electing its leaders are exactly ideal either.

For me the big issue is in changing a leader mid term. Unless that leader sticks broadly to the manifesto they were elected on there is a democratic problem. This is the point here, it's what Michael Gove of all people keeps saying.

[River Don]

I see there are a couple of new members of the coalition of anti-growth. The ratings agencies Standard & Poor and Fitch! They've just cut the UKs rating from stable to negative.

[nightporter]

''Has Liz Truss handed power over to the extreme neoliberal thinktanks?''

https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1577574544478507009

[SydneyRover]

''Has Liz Truss handed power over to the extreme neoliberal thinktanks?''

https://twitter.com/DoubleDownNews/status/1577574544478507009

The link I posted is the written article NP, and although I support the bulk of what GM says as he runs through all the forces that are turning the tory party and via them the country to the far right and possibly further what he doesn't say although he gives them plenty of stick is ............ how labour can expect to fight against all those cashed up entities including the media and expect to win if they don't bring the middle along.

[SydneyRover]

The money managers eh

''This is the second time that the UK’s credit rating has been in this position. Fitch has previously placed the UK on AA- with a negative outlook, back in March 2020, due to the impact of the pandemic on the public finances.

According to the Economic History Review, the UK received its first sovereign credit rating in 1978 - and held that prized AAA rating until 2013, when Moody’s became the first to downgrade the UK''

the Guardian

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'm not sure the credit ratings agencies have any role or importance any more.

Back in 2010, Osborne insisted that we had to cut Govt spending to slash the deficit because if we didn't, we might lose our AAA status and that would push up interest rates.

What happened?
 We cut Govt spending.

We didn't slash the deficit because the economy tanked so tax receipts didn't rise.

We lost our AAA rating.

Interest rates fell.

[wilts rover]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

RD, do Labour Party members have to be elected?
That is a genuine question because I don’t know.
Are some LP members also non UK residents (I think I know the answer to that).

Do Labour Party members have to be elected? No, you apply for membership but this can be refused.

Are some LP members non-UK residents - No. Clause 2 Point 3 of the Labour Party rule book:

Individual members shall be subjects/residents of the UK or citizens of Eire or other persons resident in the UK or for more than 1 year.

I am not a LP member btw.

[drfchound]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

RD, do Labour Party members have to be elected?
That is a genuine question because I don’t know.
Are some LP members also non UK residents (I think I know the answer to that).

Do Labour Party members have to be elected? No, you apply for membership but this can be refused.

Are some LP members non-UK residents - No. Clause 2 Point 3 of the Labour Party rule book:

Individual members shall be subjects/residents of the UK or citizens of Eire or other persons resident in the UK or for more than 1 year.

I am not a LP member btw.

Chers for that wilts,  I was wondering whether the Tories and the LP rules on membership are similar.
In fact RD says “rumours” abound that Tory members are not UK residents so are those rumours true or false?
He also says that the members aren’t elected but I would think that they probably apply to join the Party in the same way that people apply to join other Party’s.

[SydneyRover]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

[tyke1962]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

[wilts rover]

The Greenleace protest made a good point today. Just who did vote for all this?

Conservative members, who are they? Rumour has it some are not even UK residents. They certainly aren't elected, and yet they have the power to impose this car crash on us.

Tory MPs at least have the legitimacy of being elected and they wanted Sunak. The nations finances would look much better now if he was leader, that's for sure.

RD, do Labour Party members have to be elected?
That is a genuine question because I don’t know.
Are some LP members also non UK residents (I think I know the answer to that).

Do Labour Party members have to be elected? No, you apply for membership but this can be refused.

Are some LP members non-UK residents - No. Clause 2 Point 3 of the Labour Party rule book:

Individual members shall be subjects/residents of the UK or citizens of Eire or other persons resident in the UK or for more than 1 year.

I am not a LP member btw.

Chers for that wilts,  I was wondering whether the Tories and the LP rules on membership are similar.
In fact RD says “rumours” abound that Tory members are not UK residents so are those rumours true or false?
He also says that the members aren’t elected but I would think that they probably apply to join the Party in the same way that people apply to join other Party’s.

The Tory Party famously do not reveal details of their membership - but they have instructions for how people living overseas with no connection to the UK can join the party and vote in its leadership elections - so you would presume there are some.

It was claimed during the leadership election that a lot of people from India were joing to vote for Sunak, but unless the Tories release details of where their members reside then we will never know for sure.

I am afraid life is too short for me to want to compare the LP & CP rule books and pick out the differences - but they are both online if you want to bother! I think this is the significant one tho - you dont have to have any connection to the UK to be a Tory member and vote in their elections - but to join the Labour Party you do.

[SydneyRover]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

[Colin C No.3]

Sydney. Is it true that aborigines ‘feel’ their way through the bush?

[SydneyRover]

which ones Col?

[ravenrover]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Only nodding at LPC? They were full on fast asleep at the CPC, and these are the ones who put Truss in place

[scawsby steve]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

If you think that Tyke is far right wing, then your understanding of the English language is even worse than I thought.

However, let's talk about your political position. Your obvious dislike of Mick Lynch and the left, and your devoted love of Keith, would suggest that you are centrist.

Am I right?

[tyke1962]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

First of all I ain't your mate , secondly I'm not the one who moved 10k miles of his own volition to live in a right wing country , aye !!

[tyke1962]

A leaked report coming out of the OBR has indicated that the mini budget will create a £70bn black hole in the UK economy .

Glad it was only a mini budget then , you have to wonder what the proper one will look like , if they get that far that is .

 

[SydneyRover]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

If you think that Tyke is far right wing, then your understanding of the English language is even worse than I thought.

However, let's talk about your political position. Your obvious dislike of Mick Lynch and the left, and your devoted love of Keith, would suggest that you are centrist.

Am I right?

Not at all my other far right wing friend, please show me where I have said anything at all against him.

[wilts rover]

A leaked report coming out of the OBR has indicated that the mini budget will create a £70bn black hole in the UK economy .

Glad it was only a mini budget then , you have to wonder what the proper one will look like , if they get that far that is .

 

When Truss has been chanting her growth mantra - who thought it was referring to her growing the National Debt?

[scawsby steve]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

If you think that Tyke is far right wing, then your understanding of the English language is even worse than I thought.

However, let's talk about your political position. Your obvious dislike of Mick Lynch and the left, and your devoted love of Keith, would suggest that you are centrist.

Am I right?

Not at all my other far right wing friend, please show me where I have said anything at all against him.

Please show me some evidence of me being far right wing.

I've repeatedly said on here that I want to see the railways and public utilities taken back into public ownership, and that I support all striking unions, and the Enough is Enough campaign.

Now I know you struggle badly with semantics and the English language, but how could any of the above be associated with the far right?

Game, set, and match to me, once again.

[SydneyRover]

Only weeks in but no calls suggesting that truss is a labour asset?

Presumably you mean Labour have all the answers with that comment .

Plenty of talk last week at the Conference laped up by the nodding donkeys .

Short on detail on how they are going to fund it .

Nit at all my far right wing friend, I've never claimed that, what I have said is that under this voting system not voting labour favours the tories/

If you think that Tyke is far right wing, then your understanding of the English language is even worse than I thought.

However, let's talk about your political position. Your obvious dislike of Mick Lynch and the left, and your devoted love of Keith, would suggest that you are centrist.

Am I right?

Not at all my other far right wing friend, please show me where I have said anything at all against him.

Please show me some evidence of me being far right wing.

I've repeatedly said on here that I want to see the railways and public utilities taken back into public ownership, and that I support all striking unions, and the Enough is Enough campaign.

Now I know you struggle badly with semantics and the English language, but how could any of the above be associated with the far right?

Game, set, and match to me, once again.

I don't remember seeing a comment from your good self nor tykey when I posted this last week ............

''Think about this Steve, what got trump into power, MAGA (sovereignty) and immigration policy pages straight from the far right playbook, but don't take my word ask Le Pen, farage or any other far right player.

With me so far, good.

Now what did you and tyke vote for? think about the main planks of brexit and then think about your votes.

And let me get this straight you are saying you haven't gone over to the far right you just vote for those sort of policies put to the people by a right wing government.

Think Ronald Reagan:

After the weapon sales were revealed in November 1986, Reagan appeared on national television and stated that the weapons transfers had indeed occurred, but that the United States did not trade arms for hostages.

A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that's true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. This runs counter to my own beliefs, to administration policy, and to the original strategy we had in mind.

Think Bill Clinton ................... think brexit voters''


If it walks and talks like a duck and has similar goals to putin in wanting to break up the EU ................. maybe it's just semantics.

game set and quack!

[SydneyRover]

While you are fiddling around Steve, don't forget to show me where I have ......

 ..... ''However, let's talk about your political position. Your obvious dislike of Mick Lynch and the left, and your devoted love of Keith, would suggest that you are centrist''

 ........ any time you are ready to show me what I wrote Steve

[scawsby steve]

Wrong again, Sydney, being anti-EU is a far left concept, endorsed by people like Tony Benn, Dennis Skinner, Jeremy Corbyn, and many trade unions.

The strange thing is, Keith isn't going to apply to re-join the EU, but Ed Davey is, so you'll be OK.

[SydneyRover]

That's the thing aye Steve sucked in and still can't see it. Reagan couldn't see it till presented with the evidence Clinton outright lied, hmmm