truss

[wilts rover]

Hunt on Laura Kunessberg just now - there is going to be more austerity and I have no idea/don't care what the result of this will be or how to contain it. She just put the head of the Anti-Growth Coalition in charge.

The Bank of England doesn't trust them, the international money markets dont trust them.

If you think we are in a crises now - under this lot just wait.

[SydneyRover]

There's two points overall that stick out.

Truss is now delivering policies she doesn't believe in and stood against.  That's bonkers frankly and shouldn't be done.

The second point though is that no party has a plan to deliver what they say because none of them admit that it's very difficult to do.

We now have half the policies labour wanted.  How do they then criticise it?8

A government should push itself to achieve as many of its policies as it can as circumstances permit. The truss policies were always bonkers and were never going to achieve growth growth growth however they were implemented.

It's difficult to comment on which labour policies you are referring to pud, I thought they didn't have any?

[danumdon]

There's two points overall that stick out.

Truss is now delivering policies she doesn't believe in and stood against.  That's bonkers frankly and shouldn't be done.

The second point though is that no party has a plan to deliver what they say because none of them admit that it's very difficult to do.

We now have half the policies labour wanted.  How do they then criticise it?8

This has now really gone beyond the realm of making it up as you go along. How can any leader go along with a strategy that she actively campaigned against? then even worse attempting to use Hunt to implement it.

Im wondering if blokes in dark places aren't colluding to get rid of this abomination and attempt to slip the rich little fella in then they really have completely lost the plot.

Parliament needs to find a way of achieving a VONC so we can have a GE to give us someone else to moan about.

[SydneyRover]

Sounds like the civil war that kicked off in the conference has stepped up a notch.

[SydneyRover]

Not sure what planet they are on atm when Halfon thinks a nice little fireside chat will fix things, will it pay peoples bills or buy them food, pay their rent or mortgage?

[BillyStubbsTears]

If there's one possible silver lining here, it's that we might, collectively as a nation, stop listening to far right gobshites like these, who cheered us into embracing Brexit, Johnson and Truss.

https://twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1581005091930505218?s=20&t=wDwzc8A-I5lFkvrCi6GOCg

They are either headbangers, or genuine enemy agents. They have done untold damage to this great country. Time to tell them to belt up and f**k off.

Here we go. Someone's collected the full set of far right w**kers' praise for the Budget.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1581323079611211776

Anyone who EVER chooses to listen to any of those Kitsons again has no excuse.

[Branton Red]

What a complete mess!

Apparently the PM is in a state of depression and refusing to speak to her senior ministers.

Regardless of her politics and the craziness of her debunked economic strategy I can't help but have sympathy for her on a human level and concern for her mental health and general well being.

She claims she will always act in the best interest of the country. In that vain, and also in her own personal interest, she needs to be stepping aside asap.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I have absolutely zero sympathy for her on any level.

She's wanted to get the PM post for years. Not because she had a driving philosophical vision for how to make the country a better place. Because she had a driving, selfish desire for power, coupled with a ridiculously OTT opinion of her own ability.

She's changed her political stance every step of the way to fit with the people she needed to get onside to help here with Project Truss. She has no guiding principle whatsoever, other than what helps her ambition.

She was a radical Liberal when the Tories fell apart in the 90s.

By 2010 she was a hug-a-hoodie Cameron soft-rightist.

When Remain looked like winning she was an ardent remainer.

When Leave won, she sang the praises of what fantastic opportunities it opened for Britain.

When the moderate Tories were purged and the party lurched to the far right, she led the way, suddenly found that headcase Minford as a guiding light and sold the membership a fairy story of how she'd cut taxes for them.

She hasn't got a principled bone in her body. Just the need to put Liz on top.

If she's suffering now, then frankly, tough shit. There will be millions more suffering because of the shit tip she has chucked us into. Millions with unpayable mortgages, lost jobs a d savings. If she's suffering, maybe it will serve as a warning to future Liz f**king Trusses.

[Branton Red]

If she's suffering now, then frankly, good.

This is just the sort of divisive vindictiveness that puts people off politics and political discussion.

Assuming the PM is depressed (and why wouldn't she be?) then her well being will be of grave concern to her family. Poor mental health is a serious problem. I knew a man, a former MD of a client, whose poor business decisions effectively bankrupted his company. A few years later he took his own life. There's an obvious parallel here.

To have no sympathy for, and in fact to revel, in somebody's mental anguish, regardless of their character, past behaviour or politics is frankly pathetic.

You need to grow up man.

[BillyStubbsTears]

This isn't a game Branton.

It's not like I'm pissed off that my kid didn't get picked for the school team and I wish the PE teacher dies horribly.

This is about the most important position in the country. Where being f**king incompetent has massive implications for millions of people.

She has cost the country tens of billions of pounds through her rank incompetence and arrogance. That will destroy lives, businesses, jobs and families throughout the country.

Her decisions.

Her policies.


Anyone who ever spent five minutes looking at her plans knew where this was going. If she didn't or didn't listen to those who did, then she deserves everything she is now going through.

People need to f**king well grow up and realise that who the PM is and what they do has massive consequences. It's not something to be aspired to by incompetent egotists like the last two we've had. If their public humiliation is what is needed to ram that message into people's heads, then so be it.

[i_ateallthepies]

This isn't a game Branton.

It's not like I'm pissed off that my kid didn't get picked for the school team and I wish the PE teacher dies horribly.

This is about the most important position in the country. Where being f**king incompetent has massive implications for millions of people.

She has cost the country tens of billions of pounds through her rank incompetence and arrogance. That will destroy lives, businesses, jobs and families throughout the country.

Her decisions.

Her policies.


Anyone who ever spent five minutes looking at her plans knew where this was going. If she didn't or didn't listen to those who did, then she deserves everything she is now going through.

People need to f**king well grow up and realise that who the PM is and what they do has massive consequences. It's not something to be aspired to by incompetent egotists like the last two we've had. If their public humiliation is what is needed to ram that message into people's heads, then so be it.

Absolutely 100% this.

[Branton Red]

No Billy bad mental health and depression is not a game. The consequences can be catastrophic.

It's one thing expressing vehement opposition to a person's actions, behaviours or politics and pointing out the potentially dire consequences of them.

It's quite another on hearing of their mental suffering to pronounce pleasure at their personal anguish on the basis that you disagree with their actions, behaviour and politics.

There are things called decency and compassion even towards opponents. It's about being human.

Are you wishing Liz Truss dies horribly then like your fictitious PE teacher?

Or more sensibly let's say a protestor had physically attacked the PM on the basis of her policies and she'd sustained not a mental injury but a physical one. Say a broken leg. Would you have any sympathy for her on a human level then I wonder?

[wilts rover]

Truss appointed as chancellor someone who cut funding for mental health services across the country.

She appointed as deputy PM someone who cut PIP funding and made it more difficult for people with mental health problems (and their careers) to claim the benefits to which they are entitled - and cut the level of that funding to leave many of them in poverty.

Truss herself has always voted for these cuts. I would be very cautious about where I gave my sympathy to Liz Truss and mental health issues. She has never shown any to anyone - exactly the opposite.

[tyke1962]

This isn't a game Branton.

It's not like I'm pissed off that my kid didn't get picked for the school team and I wish the PE teacher dies horribly.

This is about the most important position in the country. Where being f**king incompetent has massive implications for millions of people.

She has cost the country tens of billions of pounds through her rank incompetence and arrogance. That will destroy lives, businesses, jobs and families throughout the country.

Her decisions.

Her policies.


Anyone who ever spent five minutes looking at her plans knew where this was going. If she didn't or didn't listen to those who did, then she deserves everything she is now going through.

People need to f**king well grow up and realise that who the PM is and what they do has massive consequences. It's not something to be aspired to by incompetent egotists like the last two we've had. If their public humiliation is what is needed to ram that message into people's heads, then so be it.

Nailed it William .

[turnbull for england]

Truss appointed as chancellor someone who cut funding for mental health services across the country.

She appointed as deputy PM someone who cut PIP funding and made it more difficult for people with mental health problems (and their careers) to claim the benefits to which they are entitled - and cut the level of that funding to leave many of them in poverty.

Truss herself has always voted for these cuts. I would be very cautious about where I gave my sympathy to Liz Truss and mental health issues. She has never shown any to anyone - exactly the opposite.

No Billy bad mental health and depression is not a game. The consequences can be catastrophic.

It's one thing expressing vehement opposition to a person's actions, behaviours or politics and pointing out the potentially dire consequences of them.

It's quite another on hearing of their mental suffering to pronounce pleasure at their personal anguish on the basis that you disagree with their actions, behaviour and politics.

There are things called decency and compassion even towards opponents. It's about being human.

Are you wishing Liz Truss dies horribly then like your fictitious PE teacher?

Or more sensibly let's say a protestor had physically attacked the PM on the basis of her policies and she'd sustained not a mental injury but a physical one. Say a broken leg. Would you have any sympathy for her on a hu

No Billy bad mental health and depression is not a game. The consequences can be catastrophic.

It's one thing expressing vehement opposition to a person's actions, behaviours or politics and pointing out the potentially dire consequences of them.

It's quite another on hearing of their mental suffering to pronounce pleasure at their personal anguish on the basis that you disagree with their actions, behaviour and politics.

There are things called decency and compassion even towards opponents. It's about being human.

Are you wishing Liz Truss dies horribly then like your fictitious PE teacher?

Or more sensibly let's say a protestor had physically attacked the PM on the basis of her policies and she'd sustained not a mental injury but a physical one. Say a broken leg. Would you have any sympathy for her on a human level then I wonder?

You reap as you sow, any management job has pressure  ask GM ! Prime minister is a job like no other and to behave as she has in taking a job she's under qualified for  has had repercussions we will be recovering from for years , so yes if this has affected her then that's par for course and others should be mindful

[BillyStubbsTears]

Wind your neck in Branton.
I'm not wishing illness or death on Truss. I'm not revelling in watching her unravelling. I don't want anyone to assault her. You are making a ridiculous extrapolation of what I've said. Honestly, I cannot believe I'm needing to say this but y'know...this place sometimes.

What I'm saying is that I have zero sympathy for her predicament. None whatsoever.

The cause of her apparent  emotional collapse isn't the fact that she's a fundamentally sound politician who had been bested by circumstances.

It is that reality has smashed her in the face and screamed at her  "You are not competent to do this job". Anyone who ever gave her a second glance knew that to be the case. It's frankly frightening that someone so utterly unsuited to the role even made the long list. The correct response her is not to say "never mind, you did your best." It's to make sure anyone else who even dreams of becoming PM searches their heart and soul to decide if they are really up to it.

Let me give you an alternative. Closest one we have to this f**king mess.

In 1955, Anthony Eden finally became PM after many years of desperately wanting the job.

The following year, he took us into an illegal war, against strong advice from colleagues and from the US.

The USA flayed us alive with economic sanctions. We gave in and withdrew. That humiliation is seen by historians as the moment that Britain lost its claim to be a Great Power.

Eden had a nervous breakdown.

Was the correct response to that to put an arm round him and say "you did your best old chap"? Or was it to grimly hold him up as an example to future PMs?

I know where I stand on that one.

The analogy isn't perfect. None ever is. But it's close enough.

An egotistical, arrogant power seeker. Deciding on an insane policy. Ignoring all advice that it was madness. Then emotionally collapsing when the inevitable came.

Truss's idiocy has massively ramped up our interest rates because the money markets are demanding a Moron Premium from a country that could lose its senses on this scale. That is going to mean families losing their houses. Companies going out of business.

I'll save my sympathy for them, not for the egotistical power seeker who has unleashed this disaster.

[Branton Red]

Billy

To be clear I have zero sympathy for her political predicament - for the same reasons you make.

I'm saying that on hearing of her depression that I can't help but have sympathy for her on a human level and concern for her mental health and general well being.

That is a different thing entirely.

Your immediate response to me stating this was "If she's suffering now, then frankly, good."

Highlighting your immaturity and basic lack of compassion and common decency.

[BillyStubbsTears]

Branton


So you'd have had sympathy for Eden and his emotional collapse after he planned an illegal war which dragged Britain's reputation through the mud?

You have totally ignored my argument that there are situations were the personal failings of senior politicians are so manifest and the consequences so disastrous, that they have to go through public humiliation to warn others.

Anyone who is not steeled for that should never get close to power. If Liz Truss hasn't understood this and had had no understanding of her own obvious limitations, then I do have sympathy for her because she would clearly have a very serious personality disorder.

But it doesn't change the fact that there has to be a way of warning off rank incompetents from seeking high power. That is what I meant when I said "if she's suffering then good". Not because if hatred for her personally. Because no-one as shockingly bad as her should ever get close to No10 again.

[Branton Red]

I'd have sympathy for him on a human level due to his emotional collapse. Of course I would.

I don't have any sympathy with his actions or for him losing his position.

These are 2 separate things. As they are with Truss.

[BillyStubbsTears]

I'd have sympathy for him on a human level due to his emotional collapse. Of course I would.

I don't have any sympathy with his actions or for him losing his position.

These are 2 separate things. As they are with Truss.

Then with respect, you are not getting my point.

Some politicians fail so grossly (and due to the failings of their own personality, not their political beliefs) and the consequences are so disastrous, that there has to be a warning for posterity.

I'll say again. Truss's depression, if that's what it is, has not been brought on by a failure caused by overwhelming external odds.

It's come about because she has yearned for this job and she is f**king useless at it. Her very public humiliation is part of the nation's self-defence mechanism that will make it less likely that someone equally as f**king useless will even aspire to this position in future.

[drfchound]

If there's one possible silver lining here, it's that we might, collectively as a nation, stop listening to far right gobshites like these, who cheered us into embracing Brexit, Johnson and Truss.

https://twitter.com/Dannythefink/status/1581005091930505218?s=20&t=wDwzc8A-I5lFkvrCi6GOCg

They are either headbangers, or genuine enemy agents. They have done untold damage to this great country. Time to tell them to belt up and f**k off.

Here we go. Someone's collected the full set of far right w**kers' praise for the Budget.

https://mobile.twitter.com/Number10cat/status/1581323079611211776

Anyone who EVER chooses to listen to any of those Kitsons again has no excuse.

While I agree that Truss is a disaster I find it ironic that bst has highlighted a tweet which starts “People try to tell you what to think every day”.

[tyke1962]

Well I've absolutely no sympathy or compassion for the stupid women even if they cart her off to an asylum in a straight jacket .

Totally self inflicted , the people lining up to tell her and her fruitcake chancellor they'd tank the economy was a mile long .

This women has no empathy or is even sorry for the decisions she's made or signed off .

Absolutely no empathy for homeowners , people with pensions or the vast majority of us struggling to pay our bills .

The only reason she's sat sobbing tonight in a dark room is for herself and not the country or it's people .

Deal with it you hideous woman .

[BillyStubbsTears]

In simple terms, being PM is not a job you approach with the attitude "Well I'll give it a go, listen to no-one and insist that I'm right, and if I make a massive f**k up of it and seriously damage the country, I'll not worry about it too much."

[Branton Red]

I'd have sympathy for him on a human level due to his emotional collapse. Of course I would.

I don't have any sympathy with his actions or for him losing his position.

These are 2 separate things. As they are with Truss.

Then with respect, you are not getting my point.

Some politicians fail so grossly (and due to the failings of their own personality, not their political beliefs) and the consequences are so disastrous, that there has to be a warning for posterity.

Yes true but that shouldn't prevent us as decent members of the human race from having sympathy for the personal anguish this visits upon them, regardless of whether or how much we agreed or disagreed with their actions or their politics.

It's certainly no reason for rejoicing in their personal predicament either.

You're missing my point - given I posted first on this issue. I don't have sympathy for what Truss has done or the political position she finds herself in but have sympathy and concern for her mental well being. As I would for anyone suffering bad mental health regardless of who they are or what they've done.

You on the other hand "have absolutely zero sympathy for her on any level" in the face of hearing of her apparent depression.

[tyke1962]

As I said I've no sympathy or compassion for the stupid women .

I have compassion and sympathy in bucket loads for people who are victims of this world .

Zilch for those who cause it .

[BillyStubbsTears]

1) This is not about any political disagreement. Can we clear that up straightaway, because I'm not having that slur left to stand.

2) As I've said several times, the cause of the apparent depression is her own overwhelming arrogance and ambition, married with an equal and opposite lack of basic ability. I'm f**ked if I'm going to waste my own emotional energy with concern for someone in that situation, especially when the consequence of her failings are going to be horrific for millions of people.

[Branton Red]

Billy

No it's absolutely not about political disagreements. I agree with you, and practically everyone else on here, on the politics of this. My last post was speaking in general terms.

This is about how decent we are as human beings.

It's about whether we have the maturity to forgive people for their errors and their human failings, and forgive them for the consequences such errors and failings have wrought on others, in order to find compassion and sympathy for them in their own sufferings.

[wilts rover]

If Truss were to resign tomorrow as PM and an MP, which she should be doing if she has serious mental health issues, she is not making decisions in the best interests of the country or her constituents - exactly the opposite, her decisions are making the problems of the country into a crises - then I would have great sympathy for her.

But she wont. So I have only sympathy for the hundreds of thousands of people whose lives have been made miserable and more difficut by the cruel choices and decisions she and her party have made in these past 12 years.

[belton rover]

Branton, questioning and mocking a person’s mental state is a card that Billy often plays. It doesn’t matter if it’s the Prime Minister or a poster on a fourth division off topic forum - if you disagree with him for long enough then eventually, he will question your mental health, and take great delight in doing so.

[wilts rover]

And so it begins.

Just watched Crispin Blunt on the Andrew Neil show call for her to go. Now two more MP's have also gone public saying that's it. Matter of days now I should think.